Bad Move By Danny

[RACENUT]

Don't You Think Dan Turbush Should Have Been Sent To The Rear Of The Field In The Beginning Of The Race For Dumping Ken Alfano? It Sure Was Pretty Obvious To Me.

[bulldozer]

Racing hard into 1. Nothing on purpose though. I saw spins in the charger race, and nothing like the 17 getting into the 89 and getting the 36, or the 2 into the 15 in the mods. I guess they should've been sent back to the rear too, huh? Sorry 35, nothing on purpose. Turbush racing.

[Golf Guy]

I don't know if the problem is racing him hard. I just think it was to aggressive for how early it was in the race?

[jemalfano]

I think someone should buy Dan some glasses so he can see...... He just pushed his way through the 35. Should have been black flagged or did Dan know it was Alfano's race...? Think the people running the show need glasses, too. Seems when you talk to the officials, they just turn their heads, or they just say wait a minute. No wonder why Alfano won't come back to Riverhead!!!!!!

[44chargerfan]

He did it to a few people, not just Alfano. It's called selective eyesight.

[The Bullfather]

ummmmmm now now, I think the Chief Stewards are doing a good job in the pits. Let's not cry about the on track stuff here. Bring it up to them, talk to them, they really seem like they want things to start rolling in the right direction. I give them credit for what they've done so far and looking forward to see what they change in the future. I'm sure after the races this week some concerns are going to be brought up.

Glad J-rod didn't have worst damage when Danny was cleaning off his tires and then seemed to stop or slow down and J-Rod got into the back of him. Smart move also to use your teammate to break off the fender hanging off!:O) lol

[modprincess8x]

Actually Bub that's exactly what should happen...if you spin someone, no matter what the circumstances are, you should be put to the rear. No judgement calls that it was a racing accident or it was on purpose. You get into someone, they spin, you go to the rear, end of story. That's how it is at Mountain and it's fair game for all. Drivers will start to think twice, maybe, on how "hard" they race and maybe there will actually be some good racing, rather than just dumping the car in front of you.

[The Bullfather]

Yes but Mountain has more room to race. Riverhead is a tighter track. But I believe it needs to be enforced more! But it's hard to make judgement calls and not get someone mad.

[modprincess8x]

Exactly Bullfather, if you touch someone and they spin, you go to the rear. There is no questions about it then, and if it is consistant, there is no reason for anyone to get mad about it. It would actually make the officials jobs easier, too. There was contact, go to the rear, no "well they checked up in front of him/her, he/she got help from behind".

The track is going to lose more drivers by not being consistant in whatever they do than they are by consistantly putting drivers to the rear. Ken Alfano feels "screwed" (I'm assuming) because he got spun (accidental or intentionally) while leading and nothing was done about it. In the same race, J-Rod feels he gets "screwed" (again assuming) because he gets sent to the rear for spinning someone (again, accidentally or intentionally), when another driver didn't get punished for spinning someone just before that.

[Turbo]

It was a bad move with the 35, UNINTENTIONAL. Racing's already lost enough drivers, might as well close the track anyway, whether the 35 is there or not. It's never gonna be the same, so the closer the end of this track is, the happier I am. Even though I grew up here, I could care less anymore. Too much drama with all you people. I would rather travel to Thompson and Stafford every week. Hope they build a :lol: CASINO :lol: there where Riverhead's track is now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
44 charger fan, you're right, he did it to more than just Alfano..lol he did it to the 0k car!! Being the leader, it's hard to get anybody but lapped cars.

How about Scott getting spun when he was leading, or Furr dog when he was leading? It's been happening more than just last week, but when someone who wins a lot does it, you gotta put the magnifying glass on it and put him down, definitely. He shoulda been set down for the night and suspended 3 weeks!!

[LongIslandJam]

As I said in the Figure 8's forum, the Late Models are in no condition to be fighting with each other. With 11 regular cars, makes me wonder, if you catch my drift. After the race it seemed that every Late Model was through hell. Every car in the division is just about equal, which adds to problems. It's great for fans, but I know ultra-frustrating to competitors. There seemed to be a lack of patience with a few cars for a extra-distance race. The smarter drivers waited their turn and took advantage of the drivers who were using up their equipment and moved up through the field, with one notable example being Roger Oxee. That's the example of how to move through the field.

I wouldn't be surprised if the black flag starts getting used more liberally. Now that it looks like the integrity is being restored off the track in tech, I expect to see the same on the track in coming weeks. Takes time for a major change to settle out.

[hollywoodmic]

I was not there, but I must agree with the modprincess, make it a cut and dried rule for every division, and perhaps you'll get a little more give and take. If a guy like J-Rod goes to the rear one week, he knows that the following week if he gets spun, that driver will end up at the rear. Kerri, I like the idea, I think it would make the drivers be a little more respectful of each other in all divisions. Then there are no excuses at the end of the day, "I got into him, and was sent to the back" should be the only thing said at the end of the day. Just reading other posts on the board from last Saturday, Danny may not have gotten into Alfano, JR may not have gotten into Wayne, Wayne Okula may not have gotten into Jessica Larsen, and who ever else had a little bumper tag. If there was a consistent answer to what seemed to be a pretty common problem last week, intentional or not, it could end the debate.

[W. J.]

The idea of sending someone to the back because the car in front spins out after contact is good, but has one small flaw: what if the offending driver was pushed by contact of the car behind them? You know, one into another, into another, etc? That happens if the car in front gets off the gas, gets on the brakes, etc. and really shouldn't be thought of as "He dumped him". It will have to be a judgment call on the part of the officials, and when they make a call based on this scenario, there will be people who will cry foul or favoritism.
Other than that, I, too, agree that the black flag should be used to put an end to the type of dumping that we see all too often. It may take an incident or two for the message to be clear, but it will clean things up before you know it. Then we'll all see real racing again.

[kleilamotorsports]

JA Lolololol

[turbett]

:confused: WOW, it's funny when your reading these comments and can think of a whole lot a scenarios that have gone on this year, but it's only a selected few people that get Bashed for something that happens. Example (sorry to use you J-rod, but it did happen and it's just an example) 08 took out the 10 going for the lead. Hmmm did anyone go on here and bash him? NO it was not on purpose, but it happened. Was he sent to the rear? NO he actually won that race. So let's see then, who on this post forum is right?? Some people should keep what they think to themselves, being that other situations happened and if we are going to do that, then we should bash every single person who races that has done something wrong, not a selected few and who you want. I guess people like to start talking when you're winning races and doing well. If it's not who they want, then it's all about what they did wrong. I just want to add that I think J-rod and my dad are awesome drivers and for being sent to the back, he came right back to finish 3rd great job..

Bullfather: Danny's wheel actually fell off when J-rod hit the back of his car, he really couldn't do anything about that....BOOO lol see ya sat..

[unowho243]

I have the greatest idea...... How about we all just move on with our lives and race? We are all friends for the most part and this is the kind of stuff the track doesn't need. Yeah, a few people need to be talked to, but other than that, Ive seen a change for the better in the last few weeks... I hope the change continues, because I don't know about you, but I don't want to see that track close. I love that track and no matter how much people bash it, they love it, too. Yeah, at times it gets crazy, but if you think that just happens at Riverhead, open your eyes, it goes on everywhere in some shape or form. But like I said, in the past few weeks the officials have done a better job.... Still room for improvement, but definitely a better job! Like I said, I hope the trend continues, because if it does, we are in for some good racing from now on!

[The Bullfather]

hahaha it seemed like a few drivers had their steering wheel problems during cautions or before the drop of the green. I know Danny wasn't the only driver who had problems with it. Glad nothing big came out of it and both drivers were able to move on. Get thoses steering wheels locked in!lol

[bulldozer]

It's funny how Kerry comes on here and comments on a track her family doesn't race at anymore. If you want to post something, go onto Mountain's site that might suit your likings more. The people like you who start yelling and screaming when there's hard racing going on between friends that cause controversy between those friends. You should keep the noise down and keep your comments to maybe something about your brothers car. Because all you are doing is trying to cause something between family and yes J-rod is our family. So please stick to the 8x and not the 8. :)

[KickItUp]

Not to get too off topic here, but boy oh boy do I remember the 8x, and not little eddie, getting into his fair share of drivers over the many many years he raced modifieds.. Wow, if he got sent to the rear each time someone 'spun out in front of him', what a big difference his career would have been!

Now, my own little opinion about the black flag.. I was told by a head official that they do not want to lose any more drivers than they already have. By black flagging someone, they may pi** off that guy enough to go elsewhere, or quit altogether.. So in other words, and this is my opinion, the drivers who spend gads of money at the track each week, will not be the ones penalized initially at least.. But say a lower budget driver, spending much less at the track, well he might get black flagged.. That's how it has appeared to me this season so far, mostly, in all divisions.. Seems to me it's always those guys.. Those guys get bullied, nothing gets done, they bully back, boom, black flagged..

[Turbo]

I'm not sure if the 66 charger spends a lot of money at the track, but I remember he was involved in an incident with the #30.. Well, he did not get put to the rear for that, he got sent to the pits? How does the penalty differ? Well you've got a no call, a put to the rear, and the other is sent to the pits? I am pretty sure that the Charger incident wasn't as bad as it ended up being because it looked like the 30 wasn't expecting it and lost grip of the wheel or slipped off the brake pedal. I don't think he did that intentionally, but it probably was overaggressive driving, but why wasn't he put to the back instead of the pits? So there is a bit of inconsistency going on.

[modprincess8x]

No, what's funny Bub is how with all the people on this thread talking about your father, you go and pick me out about a general opinion that I have that goes for everyone in all the divisions, and what can be done to decrease the amount of spinning that is going on. I'm sorry if you take my post as directed towards your dad, it's not, it's directed to all the drivers this year that have been spinning people out whether it be on accident or intentional. Actually, it is directed to the officials as to something that could be done to be more consistant with all the spinning.

I have no reason to start controversy between you guys, I'm friends with both sides. Yes, I cheer for Jarrod, always have, but in no way was I putting anyone else down.

As for my family not racing there anymore, I don't know what that has to do with anything, but we do still race there on occasion. Two out of five races so far and might be more if we get a motor. So I do care about what goes on and think everyone should get a fair call whatever it may be.

So, I do apologize if you and the family think my post was anything against your dad personally, it wasn't! Just the first example that I thought of, since it was the original topic of this post and that the penalties weren't the same for everyone in the same race, never mind the other races this season.

[The Bullfather]

now now Hatfields and McCoys, let's keep this from getting out of hand like it has!

[WFO]

Bulldozer - In response to what you said about me taking out the 36 and 89.... Last week, you didn't see me posting on this site about you and your TC. How did I get dragged into this? You claimed in your post that you watched me take out these two cars. Every incident has its' own circumstance, and unless you know exactly what you're talking about, you shouldn't make judgements on people like that. How can you drive your car and judge what I am doing at the same time?
I want to say I'm not defending about intentionally taking people out, because I like racing and I am a racer. The 35 took the green flag going into turn 1 and never lifted. He banked off your father and your father raced him hard. Well, the 89 raced me hard for 5 laps until he stuffed me in the fence and I raced him hard back. Not like last week, when I ran the 36 clean (the same night you got caught with TC). Spend $3899 to win $200?? The total Charger points fund is only $900, was it worth it?
Life is short and being that I was adopted into the other half of the family, I wish that we could all just get along, and that you could all just walk away with a smile, like I do....not taking racing personally.
To love someone else, you gotta love yourself a little less....

Ellwood Motorsports #17X :-B

[bulldozer]

Sorry to put you out there John, but no harm intended towards you - just stating some facts about other races. I could've said taking a guy out for bumping you on a short track. Or taking out a guy running you high. Or riding past the scales and no dq. For what ?To win 200 a night and a 900 championship. All I know is I never spun a person out on purpose, can you say the same??????? I really didn't want to point you out and I really didn't want to write back to this, but I was just stating facts about other races and events where nothing was said about cars that were turned, then you turn it personally and talk about other subjects. (T C was it worth it) I only judge from what I see as a driver and what I heard from your mouth. (Well, the 89 raced me hard for 5 laps until he stuffed me in the fence and I raced him hard back). Your quote. I guess racing him hard back is spinning him, huh? I do know what I'm talking about because you told me all about it, at least with the 36. You said it, not me. Sorry to really bring you in John, really nothing personal. People just seem to point out some things and have their eyes shut in others. I just don't like others talking about us when there have been numerous other spins, that's all, and yours I remembered because I saw them. Drivers eye view. 81

[Turbo]

can we get a closed thread? goin alittle too far fellas

[Ace]

I AGREE Turbo! What started as a thread about bad move by Dan has gone way too far and OFF the subject.:(

[LongIslandJam]

We've been watching, and I think it's about that time. We've gone away from the original question, and when that happens, I guess we discussed all we could.

I know the subject of many threads this week is the use of the black flag. Back a few year's ago, it was liberal (heck, when I worked on a LM, we got the black flag, and I don't think we caused much trouble). And like I said in a previous post, be careful what you wish for. But either way, there needs to be more give and take in this division on the behalf of nearly every driver. That will improve the racing more so than a black flag.

As we got off topic, the thread is closed.