NJ Motorsports Park

[VARacer22]

If anyone is interested there is a 2hr "Run What Ya Brung" enduro race on February 20th at NJ Motorsports Park. Click the link for info & rules.

http://www.usa50.com/DisplayMsg.asp?ForumID=32&Msgid=1233010&page=1&Return=DisplayMsg.asp&D83jsd=True

[VARacer22]

Registration & entry fee costs can be found below:

http://www.usa50.com/DisplayMsg.asp?ForumID=32&Msgid=1233012&page=1

[Erin C]

That's a lot of money for only *UP TO* top 3 big car/ 1st place small car being paid. It says the $150 registration includes car, driver, 2 crew but some people don't have crew...I think clarifications need to be made in the event that someone won't be bringing a crew...plus hot pit (not sure what that is?? Do you pay for a better pit spot?!) is an additional $25 and if the entry is paid later than 2/13 it is an extra $25.

I thought Enduro's are supposed to be cheap :confused::help:

Either way, I would love to go watch to see if it is a good show.

[Poppop]

:)Sounds like a good race to watch. Ten bucks admission isn't too bad but I can't afford $150 to just go for a ride. Are you running Melissa?

[Danger83Ranger]

150? thats ridiculous

[richardpetey]

The raceway park(Englishtown) enduro cost us $200, so a buck and a half ain't so bad............................:rolleyes:
The lightening course looks like you gotta run it clockwise, lotta right turns........................:eek:
UNCLE PETEY................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[53ny]

Sounds like fun....:cool:

[310fig8]

I am thinking on giving it a try. You going Uncle petey?

[RocknRoll]

That's a lot of money for only *UP TO* top 3 big car/ 1st place small car being paid. It says the $150 registration includes car, driver, 2 crew but some people don't have crew...I think clarifications need to be made in the event that someone won't be bringing a crew...plus hot pit (not sure what that is?? Do you pay for a better pit spot?!) is an additional $25 and if the entry is paid later than 2/13 it is an extra $25.

I thought Enduro's are supposed to be cheap :confused::help:

Either way, I would love to go watch to see if it is a good show.

If you think about the entry fees compared to Wall, it's not a bad deal. For starters, you're getting a lot more laps/seat time than an enduro at Wall. A big car 100 lap race at Wall was around 35 minutes in length. This is a 2 HOUR enduro, so you get a lot more time behind the wheel.

Regarding the cost at $150. This includes the car, driver and two crew members. The rules for this race says you need two drivers minimum. If you compare the cost of a Wall enduro, it was $50. for entry, plus $35. for pits and add 2 more crew at $35. each and you end up with a total of $155. Now if you attended a Wall enduro by yourself, it cost you $85. for 100 laps/35 minutes of racing. Since you need 2 drivers for the NJMP enduro, split the $150. to $75. each and each driver gets 1 Hour of seat time (if the car holds up). Ends up cheaper than Wall...... with more racing time for the drivers!!

I believe the $25 hot pit is for spectators who want to go in the pit area and watch. Otherwise it looks like the $10. will give you grandstand seating.

The biggest deal is the 1.9 mile track, the speeds will be higher than the circle tracks, hopefully the enduro cars can handle the speed.........

[Erin C]

I know what you are saying, and I would love to try something like this sometime I am just thrown off on how much it costs without any hint of what the payouts are...:confused:

Die hard enduro drivers will do this no matter what the cost and the payout just for the experience and fun of it, I think I just had a little sticker shock :lol:

[EnduroFromDE]

I would so be there cause its only about 40 mins from my house...that is if my car wasnt in 23 peices...

[Poppop]

:)I just took another look at the rules and noticed that an EXTERNAL battery shut off switch is also required. Just another case of having unique rules.

[RocknRoll]

:)I just took another look at the rules and noticed that an EXTERNAL battery shut off switch is also required. Just another case of having unique rules.

...and you also need a working brake light.... hopefully you left your wiring harnesses in their original place and didn't gut them, so you can bolt on a trailer light or something.....

.....but, on a good note, they are allowing practice before the race, so it gives you some time to adjust on the car if needed. Like Petey said, this track is mostly right hand turns so it requires a different set-up than the left hand ovals.

[RocknRoll]

Die hard enduro drivers will do this no matter what the cost and the payout just for the experience and fun of it, I think I just had a little sticker shock :lol:

Not only do die hard enduro drivers do it no matter what the cost or payout, but every driver in every division races for the same reason. I don't think anyone racing on the local short tracks does it for the purse money, and they are sure not covering their costs by what they make in winnings.

From what I've seen, NEETS pays better than the regular Saturday night shows, so if you can finish 1st or 2nd, you might break even. Uncle Petey mentioned in the other thread that Wall paid $100. for the factory stock win at Turkey Derby, the biggest race of the year. You don't even come close to covering costs with that type of payout.:*-(:*-(

[RocknRoll]

Sounds like fun....:cool:

NJMP is a neat facility...... everyone should attempt this enduro. Plus it would be a change from racing on a oval and just turning left. The road course is a whole different animal, longer straightaways and sweeping corners. It's a 1.9 mile track versus the usual 1/3 mile oval at Grandview, Wall or Sundance..... and it's a longer race.... more laps per dollar!!!!

[Poppop]

:applause:Since you did the math for me, It's been boiling in my brain.Co-driver. Brake light, move battery switch and get rid of stagger and camber, get some good tires and I'll be ready to go! It keeps going back to co-driver?:help:

[310fig8]

Where does it say anything about relocating the battery switch???? :confused:

[Poppop]

Look at the link in the first post just befor the schedule. It says external battery switch. Mine's on the hump in the middle. Inside.

[RocknRoll]

Where does it say anything about relocating the battery switch???? :confused:

two different sources..... the link in the first post (that goes to the Wall Board) says a battery switch is needed. If you go to the promoter's page at(http://www.buffmotorsports.com/) there is no listing for the battery switch.

I would go with the info on the promoter's page.....

FYI, I received a confirmation from the race director at NJMP that this is a legitimate event, it just hasn't been posted yet at the NJMP web site.

[richardpetey]

I spoke, today, with the promoter of the NJMP enduro event, Bill Buff..................................:D
He said he drove in the englishtown road course enduro last January and he assured me that all the problems with scoring and line-up restarts would not happen at the Millville event.......................:applause:
BASICALLY, HE SAID ITS A NON-STOP 2 1/2 HR. RACE WITH 3 TEN MINUTE MANDATORY PIT STOPS USING A MINIMUM OF TWO DRIVERS AND POLICED AND SCORED WITH AMB TRANSPONDERS...................:cool:
He doesn't care what type of racecar you bring as long as it conforms to NJ safety racing rules, has DOT tires on maximum width 8" rims, a working brake light and a transponder.....................;)
You'll be driving the 1.9 mile road course clockwise; with 7 right turns and 3 lefts under true road course rules...................:)
UNCLE PETEY..............:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[EnduroFromDE]

:applause:Since you did the math for me, It's been boiling in my brain.Co-driver. Brake light, move battery switch and get rid of stagger and camber, get some good tires and I'll be ready to go! It keeps going back to co-driver?:help:

co drivers...i have one in mind...:drool:

[RocknRoll]

BASICALLY, HE SAID ITS A NON-STOP 2 1/2 HR. RACE WITH 3 TEN MINUTE MANDATORY PIT STOPS USING A MINIMUM OF TWO DRIVERS AND POLICED AND SCORED WITH AMB TRANSPONDERS......

Hey Uncle Petey,
Did he clarify that it is two separate 2-1/2 hour races, one for the 6/8 cylinders and one for the 4 cylinders? I kinda get that idea reading his info page that it is two races, but it's not totally clear. Or, is he planning on having all cars race together, which is how the Raceway Park enduro was run?

After the Raceway Park snafu, I believe the State Police won't mix the cars and they didn't at Wall. But I think they still mix the cars at New Egypt enduros....

[310fig8]

It is true, They do mix the cars at New Egypt.

[Poppop]

:wave:Well now, I got some right turn tires today and some right turn rims but I still have to reinforce them and see if I can find a transponder some where. I don't think there's anything else? I better read the rules again.:wave:

[Erin C]

After the Raceway Park snafu, I believe the State Police won't mix the cars and they didn't at Wall. But I think they still mix the cars at New Egypt enduros....

They only mix the cars at New Egypt because they have a minimum wheel base rule for all cars. All cars that run NE must be a minimum of (I believe) 104" wheel base...which, in the NJ Safety laws, is OK to combine the cars.

[Poppop]

:wave:After I read the NJ rules I had a few questions so I e-mailed them to Bill Buff this morning. What I got back is that this race is to be called an Endurance Road Race, however it is being run with Enduro cars. Mirrors are OK. Fuelers and fire bottle people must wear a 2 layer fire suit, helmet and gloves. Bill assured me that with the cooperation of the racers and the track there should be no problems in that area. I'm not sure but I'll try to find help that has the proper protective equipment just to be safe. I also asked Bill to get on the forum so I wouldn't screw up what he told me in my translation.:lol:

Poppop

PS. We could actually be running in something that's not being called a Junk Car Race.

[CJfilms]

Wheelbase and reinforcements....

104" wheelbase and smaller is one division...greater than 104" is another.

No reinforcement of bumpers is allowed per NJ State Laws for enduros....that rules out Street Stocks and most "Race Cars". This is the reason why we had to turn away Street Stocks at the Turkey Durby Run What Ya Brung...State Police said absolutely not.

As for mixing the cars....I'm sure the police will play it by ear, however, three or four small cars will not be permitted to race with a full field of big cars for safety alone.

Considering the speeds that can be reached on a long straightaway, I would recommend using a big car for this race no matter what!

[Poppop]

:eek:I was all hot to trot till saw that I'd have to run my little car with the big cars. Going around in an oval is bad enough but that road course might be just a little bit unsafe with the tanks flyng around. It makes me think about the car that got rear ended on the front straight at Wall.

[CJfilms]

I spoke with Bill Buff regarding the upcoming race in February. There are a few things that I needed some clarifying, which he explained to me. The following is my interpretation of these rules and his explanation to me, if you have questions you will need to contact Bill Buff.

First off, the rules seem kind of general.... In NJ, as we all know, Statute Law governs the minimum safety requirements for vehicles and drivers at all racing facilities. However, the section of the rules for Road Course racing is not as stringent as it the section for Oval Racing. I will provide a link to the statute so you can get a feel for what I am going to explain. The vehicle requirements are not covered in the section for road course events, subchapter 3. This means any vehicle can race, so long as the driver meets safety requirements... Poppop said it right, any type of car can participate....my understanding, this means street stocks will be permitted to race....the 'hard'/'soft' car approach is non-existent.

A 'hard' car as defined by the troopers is one with full reinforcement, front end bars and such connected to the frame....a 'soft' car, such as the enduros, have no front/rear end reinforcement. Since this subchapter of the rules does not define vehicle requirements, the hard and soft cars can potentially be mixed together..... NEETS attempted this in November with the Run What Ya Brung Turkey Derby enduro...the state troopers denied the street stocks from participating due to the dangers their 'hardened' cars imposed upon the 'soft' enduro cars.

Secondly, the event layout. It will be a true 2 hour race, with 3 mandatory 10 minute pit stops. For instance, if the green is waved at 12 noon, the checkered will be waved at 2:30...the driver must pull off the track at least 3 times for 10 minutes each time for fuel/driver switch/etc...if a driver pulls off for 5 minutes, they must remain pitted for the remaining 5 minutes or be penalized laps for early re-entry. If you take more than 10 minutes, there is no penalty, however you are then losing ground on your competition...

The events feature a 'hot pits', meaning NASCAR style pitting down a road solely for the purpose of a pit stop. Unlike oval tracks, you will not drive through pit space where there are other drivers/crew meandering around. Your crew will work on the car/switch drivers and such without having to return to your trailer...as I understand though, I believe you have the option of returning to your personal trailer if needed, however you will probably be wasting valuable time as you will have to drive quite a distance at a very slow pace...5 MPH.

As for hot pits, subchapter 3, section 11...clothing requirements; OTHER THAN DRIVERS: Obviously in NJ and in February, you won't be wearing tank tops and sandals, but the crew working over the wall in a hot pit when cars are being refueled must be wearing a fire suit of at least one layer of fire retardant material. This is going to mean everyone since pit stops will not limit refueling to set intervals since you can pull into the hot pits at anytime....

Crew members FUELING the vehicles in pit lane shall wear SF fire-rated helmets with proper Snell rating.

This might become a problem for some crews as multiple drivers plan on swapping fire suits and helmets....you will need proper suit and helmet for drivers and pit crew.... I hope this does not become an issue being most enduro races are styled to be 'low-budget'.

Purse was described to be a 'promotional' payout...assuming top three will get $300-$200-$100 to win. He did not mention how solid he was on this payout, so it is possible to change.

Last, but not least, roll over bars and SFI padding, nomex underwear and rated fire suits and Snell helmets are a must as with ALL racing in NJ. Make sure you brush up on the fine print straight from the NJ State Laws before heading out....worst thing to happen is spend a lot of money and be turned away by the troopers. The troopers are there for YOUR safety, so if they are denying you the opportunity to participate, it is for your own good...

NJ Motor Vehicle Racetrack Regulations:
http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/racing_regulations.pdf

Again, this is my interpretation of what to expect for this event from a promoter's point of view...please do not feel as if what I said here is what will happen. I will be there for this race, as a spectator/volunteer to the sanctioning race body.

[richardpetey]

As I previously posted on the LI Jam, be prepared to race against all kinds of racecars...........................:rolleyes:
The long front stretch is gonna produce some speeds of 130 to maybe 150mph, so use as many in car aids as you can(radios, mirrors, spotters, etc)...............................:help:
My experience at pocono (SRE) taught me when cars coming up on you or you approaching another racecar at speeds over 140mph, THINGS HAPPEN FAST...................:eek:
Its gonna be fun but you gotta keep yourself outa harms way.........................:drool:
UNCLE PETEY..................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[Spider49]

fuel will be available (93 to 112) and rest rooms will be open. refreshmant can be purchased. Please sign up if your racing car count is a Must.
spider sr at jspider49@juno.com

[BUFFMOTORSPORTS]

I have had some calls about the registration. The $150.00 cost is for 2 to 3 drivers and or pit crew members totaling 3 on your team. Should you have more than 3 members it will cost you an additional $25 per person for a hot pit pass Or $10 per person for general admission which is the trailer area and the complete track viewing area. The general admission at this track allows you to hang out as a spectator by the team trailers. Unlike some tracks you can't. Hope this helps and Hope it warms up Quick!!

[CJfilms]

Bill, here is a big question I know a lot of people will have...

With all this fluffy white stuff, what will the forecast track condition be? Will the track be plowed and cleared or left as is? What about the pits...both general parking and the hot pit area?

Wish I could help you out with the weather.....the event itself can be quite costly (I know), but having to clear about 2 miles of +24" of snow can be expensive!!! My suggestion....plow the track, but leave the snow banks on each side of the track! Might limit the amount of drivers sliding into the grassy areas and tearing up the rest of the track.....however, if the snow banks are sloped, might cause cars to flip....

[richardpetey]

Most road course races are run in the rain, there is no mention of a RAIN date only a SNOW date for rescheduling....................:confused:
UNCLE PETEY...................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[310fig8]

Is the famed # 43 Going to be there Uncle Petey?

[richardpetey]

I registered for the race along with Dr. D and hopefully, if this snow doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the works, will drag something down to the NJMP road course........................:rolleyes:
How about the 310?...............:confused:
UNCLE PETEY..................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[310fig8]

The plan as of now is to be there. Hopefully we will see you there.

[BUFFMOTORSPORTS]

NJMP officials have advised me to cancel this weekend February 20th as there is more than a foot of snow on the track. They are also expecting rain sleet and snow tonight into tomorrow. We will try for our snow date February 27th hopefully by then the snow will be gone. If you haven't registered please send it in so we know what the real count is going to be if we cancel the 27th we will refund you your entry fee. Thanks, Bill Buff

[Poppop]

:wave:Just happened to remember. That's the date for the second Sundance Frostbite Enduro.

[critter]

man all this talk about racin in the snow , wish i could be there , savin my pennies for the dirt racin , make sure some one gets some good picks , and goodluck with the race

[BUFFMOTORSPORTS]

FEBRUARY 27, 2010 CANCELED and Rescheduled for the Inaugural June 20th NJMP Road MODS support Race!!!
Please be advised the race on the February 27th has been Canceled. Due to a foot of snow that was on NJMP and now non stop rain that turned the track into a mud bog!! That's the bad news, Now for the GOOD NEWS!!! There is a rescheduled date of JUNE 20th and this Event is a GO!!! I spoke with NJMP track officials and we are now having a STREET MOD 2hr support race on June 20th during the Inaugural Road Mods Event. You will now race and be part of American History participating in this inaugural STREET MOD 2hr endurance event!! The field will be limited to the first 50 registered cars. WE WILL HAVE A $2000.00 PURSE!! We are opening up two practice sessions to come out and practice on the 2.25 mile Thunderbolt BIG Race TRACK One on April 27th and one on May 25th from 5-8pm cost will be $35.00 includes 2 crew members for updates visit http://www.buffmotorsports.com Thanks Bill Buff