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Whats going on with Calverton, anybody know. Last I herd there was talk of a Dragstrip.
CuriousGeorge
11-22-2010, 08:50 AM
http://libn.com/blog/2010/11/15/drag-strip-could-find-home-at-epcal/
With the ski mountain project all but dead, what should Riverhead do with the EPCAL land?
Build a motorsports complex (84%, 1,548 Votes)
Build a casino (5%, 94 Votes)
Open Disney World Long Island (4%, 81 Votes)
Create a sports complex with a new home for the Islanders (3%, 49 Votes)
Turn it into an airport (2%, 40 Votes)
Build an equestrian complex (2%, 35 Votes)
Open another mall (0%, 5 Votes)Total Voters: 1,850
rydogg97
11-22-2010, 11:39 AM
glad ski mt is dead!!a motorsports park would be great!have strip,oval,road course and anything else to do with racing.but one of the main blocks to that is calverton natl cemetery.read in local paper that there are rumblings about being so close to it.if all parties work together it all will work itself out!!hopefully;)
CuriousGeorge
11-22-2010, 12:16 PM
What I get from all of what I read and hear is that they will redo the zoning plan and divide the property into smaller pieces so it can be easier sold. Sounds like a good idea to me. A half mile track tucked away to the side somwhere would be nice. I dont necessarily need a NASCAR motorsports complex, Id like to see Riverhead Raceway move to Calverton though.
RGeeProductions
11-22-2010, 05:37 PM
What I get from all of what I read and hear is that they will redo the zoning plan and divide the property into smaller pieces so it can be easier sold. Sounds like a good idea to me. A half mile track tucked away to the side somewhere would be nice. I don't necessarily need a NASCAR motorsports complex, Id like to see Riverhead Raceway move to Calverton though.
Exactly Arthur. Only Riverhead IS Riverhead and I can't agree with ya on moving it to Calverton.....
limodmaniac
11-22-2010, 06:02 PM
Cromartys wrote to News Review, Riverhead's local paper a few months back and said that there is no way that any new track would get a Nascar sanction as long as they were running Riverhead Raceway. Nascar tends not to give sanctions to two tracks that are running so close together, knowing how one will probably only hurt the other if they do. If this is true, is building a track, knowing you won't get a Nascar sanction, a good thing? Or does someone buy Riverhead first, to eliminate that problem?
CuriousGeorge
11-22-2010, 07:37 PM
I was kind of thinking the Cromarty's could maybe sell Rhd and buy a new spot at Calverton. Dont get me wrong, I LOVE Riverhead Raceway and everything about it, BUT maybe a new facility would attract more drivers? fans? Would a bigger track make guys need to spend alot of $$ changing their cars? Would the rules as far as how many days the place can be open change? Could races be allowed to run later? Would the Tour come here more? MRS? Would business' be more willing to spend sponsor $$?
Turbo
11-22-2010, 07:52 PM
It would be awesome if it happened, but I will never get my hopes up even if they started to build it... They started building softball fields there 2 years ago and its still not finished... good ol riverhead town.
catfish
11-23-2010, 09:45 AM
At their age why in the world would they want to start from scratch by building a brand new facility? They would probably never realize a profit from it as the costs in this day and age would be astronomical to build the new facility when what they already own is bought and paid for(one would imagine)
art11758
11-23-2010, 12:11 PM
Cromartys wrote to News Review, Riverhead's local paper a few months back and said that there is no way that any new track would get a Nascar sanction as long as they were running Riverhead Raceway. Nascar tends not to give sanctions to two tracks that are running so close together, knowing how one will probably only hurt the other if they do. If this is true, is building a track, knowing you won't get a Nascar sanction, a good thing? Or does someone buy Riverhead first, to eliminate that problem?
I have a question. Let's say the "new" facility only operates once a year to bring the Nationwide series and a support division. How does that affect the existing facility, which does not host those series?
CuriousGeorge
11-23-2010, 01:01 PM
Good point Catfish. I was kind of just thinking out loud. The more I think about it, the more I realize it would take nothing short of a miracle to ever have another race track on LI, whether it was a NASCAR speedway or a replacement for Rhd. I think about it all the time, along with how to get more payout money to Rhd drivers in all classes and how to maybe cleanup the Riverhead track a little but I have no answers. None at all.
CuriousGeorge
11-23-2010, 01:03 PM
I have a question. Let's say the "new" facility only operates once a year to bring the Nationwide series and a support division. How does that affect the existing facility, which does not host those series?
Or what if a guy like Bruton Smith built the track. Would that change the way NASCAR looked at it?
art11758
11-23-2010, 01:45 PM
I and a group of other like minded individuals wrote him letters asking him to do just that. Never heard a word from him.
art11758
11-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Plus Riverhead Raceway is an existing use,. I wonder if when or if it changed hands the permit to operate it would follow. Or it would be like what happened to Islip.
Teds Race Tours
11-23-2010, 02:29 PM
Exactly Arthur. Only Riverhead IS Riverhead and I can't agree with ya on moving it to Calverton.....
Plenty of room for 2 tracks on Long Island. at one time, 17 tracks raced at the same time on Long Island, and there wasn't nearly as many people living here as there are now.
JBonsignore
11-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Stafford/Thompson/Waterford all within a hour of each other, ALL are NASCAR sanctioned, you can't tell me NASCAR would deny a new track, its NASCAR they love money and would love to collect another sanction fee!
SuperShafts
11-23-2010, 11:08 PM
RR only has a modified whelen tour....nothing else... so the only thing the new track couldn't have is.... guess...
There could be trucks, cars, outlaws, imsa, usac, ect..... you guys think to small...
You guys should discuss this on the right board too.... might find out more that you need to know instead of speculating...
Bruton Smith was witten by L.I.M.A. members, in fact the entire SMI board was written.
SuperShafts
11-23-2010, 11:16 PM
There was more then 40 tracks operating at one time here...
The Bullfather
11-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Who sits on the board of Nascar? A new track wouldn't get sanctioned for weekly racing.
art11758
11-24-2010, 11:33 AM
Who sits on the board of Nascar? A new track wouldn't get sanctioned for weekly racing.
I'm pretty sure that anything that has been proposed for that land, weekly stock car racing was not part of the presentation. And there is enough local discontent for the weekly operation now. Which isn't the fault of the facility. The continued development along rte 58 has all but eliminated any of the natural buffer that once existed.
MSK27
11-24-2010, 02:16 PM
I'm pretty sure that anything that has been proposed for that land, weekly stock car racing was not part of the presentation. And there is enough local discontent for the weekly operation now. Which isn't the fault of the facility. The continued development along rte 58 has all but eliminated any of the natural buffer that once existed.
That's why the only people that could probably get this thing done are the Cromartys in some sort of a land exchange.They did the same thing in Babylon when they built the recycling center and businesses like junkyards had to move they gave them an exception to be able to open elsewhere.
btgoss
11-25-2010, 10:59 AM
You guys should discuss this on the right board too.... might find out more that you need to know instead of speculating...
The right board?
I appear to be banned from that board, so I guess I will never learn the "real" information.
You guys need to stop acting like children if you really want to get something done.
Post your news everywhere you can. Spread it around, the more it gets around the better. But I get a feeling you won't agree with that.
RGeeProductions
11-25-2010, 11:03 AM
The right board?
I appear to be banned from that board, so I guess I will never learn the "real" information.
You guys need to stop acting like children if you really want to get something done.
Post your news everywhere you can. Spread it around, the more it gets around the better. But I get a feeling you won't agree with that.
We have brought up that point before that certain areas there you must be a member. if this is to better inform the public, it should not be that way. It just falls on deaf ears.
How can anyone say that Nascar wont support another Nascar track here on Long Island. If I remember correctly, wasnt Islip and Riverhead both Nascar tracks back in the day. Oh and why would the owners of Riverhead need to be involved ?
How can anyone say that Nascar wont support another Nascar track here on Long Island. If I remember correctly, wasnt Islip and Riverhead both Nascar tracks back in the day. Oh and why would the owners of Riverhead need to be involved ?
because the owners sit on the board of nascar
The Bullfather
11-25-2010, 01:05 PM
because the owners sit on the board of nascar
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: thank you! They wouldn't support anything that would take business away. If a large track was built for non weekly racing, is a different story, but highly doubt we'll ever see it built and get Nascar approval unless it's someone like Smith, Wheeler, France family that built it!
How can anyone say that Nascar wont support another Nascar track here on Long Island. If I remember correctly, wasnt Islip and Riverhead both Nascar tracks back in the day. Oh and why would the owners of Riverhead need to be involved ?
That was 30 years ago and there were 5 times as many Nascar track than there ae now.
ASA has a pretty nice short track program too.
That's why the only people that could probably get this thing done are the Cromartys in some sort of a land exchange.They did the same thing in Babylon when they built the recycling center and businesses like junkyards had to move they gave them an exception to be able to open elsewhere.
The current goverment would like a land exchange it the land is not in their town.
fisherman
11-25-2010, 03:30 PM
the people who live in calverton most wont go for it
SuperShafts
11-25-2010, 05:36 PM
The right board?
I appear to be banned from that board, so I guess I will never learn the "real" information.
You guys need to stop acting like children if you really want to get something done.
Post your news everywhere you can. Spread it around, the more it gets around the better. But I get a feeling you won't agree with that.
There are reasons the board is blacked out to non members, and only certain areas are visible.
See, when people against motorsports have a issue they don't come to long island jam, because long island jam doesn't do anything for a new facility, nor is it trying to build a new facility..
Only childish thing about that is your reasoning not to join, think about what you just said and your buddy below....
Especially when that reason has been gone over before several times and again below
We have brought up that point before that certain areas there you must be a member. if this is to better inform the public, it should not be that way. It just falls on deaf ears.
Well when you spend 3% of the time doing anything to gain another motorsports facility here only to be fought tooth and nail by bigoted imbeciles with lies that read your board, you'll do exactly as i have to stop them from using your info against you...
Again rgee there are much more bigger reasons for why people need to be a member..
The same way this board needs a real name, our board needs them to take that step to join, if not they're there for no good reason.
Who would want to try and gain a new facility and not join, how are you to be notified of anything, no way to let you know without a contact...
This board you are apart of isn't any different rgee it had to have my real name or else, only difference is here no one is trying to stop you from doing anything you aren't doing anyway... So there is no need to block out non members that are against you, or any reason to demand a real name like this board does....
How many times i have to say it, and how many times you don't understand...
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As for the sanctioning stuff the cromartys do not hold sanctioning for the craftsmen series or busch, or outlaws, or imsa, or cart, or 18 other bodies, they have a nascar whelen modified sanction.
I'll bet sitting on the board wouldn't stop a truck or busch race for long...
What's there argument going to be.... you can't take a busch or truck race from RR.. oh the races they don't have
The cromartys would be stupid to even contemplate trying to stop such a sanction of CT or BC..
SuperShafts
11-25-2010, 05:40 PM
the people who live in calverton most wont go for it
That isn't true, you sound like a few of the misinformed people at the calv civic, you will be surprised after we did a poll in wading and calv, the majority of the people wanted motorsports...
Not the way others in the civic see it, nor did they want to hear it...
IN fact some were so disturbed over the truth they resorted to threats, some of it was quite comical.
Lot of bigotry breeding in those parts.
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RGeeProductions
11-25-2010, 09:40 PM
Lately, some members here have NO name at all. Noticed that one day when I went to see who it was that was posting. That rule has fallen by the wayside, I guess. Never really saw the need for it myself.....
Negative, they slipped through.
Gimme a name and they will be gone as others when they register with no name or 1/2 a name.
RGeeProductions
11-25-2010, 09:43 PM
Lately, some members here have NO name at all. Noticed that one day when I went to see who it was that was posting. That rule has fallen by the wayside, I guess. Never really saw the need for it myself.....
Negative, they slipped through.
Gimme a name and they will be gone as others when they register with no name or 1/2 a name.
NOTE: A name in the 'Newest Member' under the members logged in area does not constitute a valid membership and is probably banned, but it doesn't show that except to admin.
SuperShafts
11-26-2010, 10:38 AM
Negative, they slipped through.
Gimme a name and they will be gone as others when they register with no name or 1/2 a name.
NOTE: A name in the 'Newest Member' under the members logged in area does not constitute a valid membership and is probably banned, but it doesn't show that except to admin.
Ok so you see rgee, you have a process as other sites do, I am not a web site for bs'ing about just anything or just a specific track.
Any forum i am a member of has required me to join to make a post or share anything... Of the probably 5 i do mod or admin for and the other probably 90 forums only 1 has ever demanded i use my real name.... ok whatever you got it....
Funny a site that does nothing in anyway for political or taking up a agenda needs my real name...
L.I.M.A. is an association that is for gaining a new facility, keeping it and protecting it.
It is also for the combined motorsports community to have there voice heard and taken seriously and fought for per our community, in any community.
This is not a social site to bs about whatever the main particular sites interest is for like the others...
L.I.M.A. isn't and never was a site for bs'ing and for you to join so i can show you news paper updates and never leave my computer and do a damned thing....
This is what our community never had , a single united voice. On this island if you aren't a single united voice that doesn't quit you'll get nothing you want...
The rr contract didn't go away because we just sat there and waited on them to let it go... I kept on him with fact, calling all other political contacts having them talk to him, it takes that boy a hundred times to realize how embarrassing the future is going to be....
I'll tell you right now, walter would have kept that bs going right now...
art11758
11-26-2010, 05:26 PM
The right board?
I appear to be banned from that board, so I guess I will never learn the "real" information.
You guys need to stop acting like children if you really want to get something done.
Post your news everywhere you can. Spread it around, the more it gets around the better. But I get a feeling you won't agree with that.
Chances are if you are having problems with the LIMA board, it can be solved with a phone call. There are isolated incidents of malware stuff that restricts you. It even happened to one of the moderators there. The only way to be sent to banned camp from that board is if you post spam. If you haven't and are having trouble, call. Don't complain here. We are not some sort of secret society. We do however, have to protect ourselves from the people who are against motorsports. The people who would love to see Riverhead Raceway silenced forever. And believe me when I tell you, there aren't many, but they complain the way that "gets results". Honest.
And actually we are getting things done. It has taken a long time, with a ways to go. The "unity" is a tough row to hoe. Everyone seems to have a tough time with that for reasons I guess I'm just not able to understand. Never take your eyes off of the prize.
btgoss
11-28-2010, 09:45 AM
I had been a member of that board, and as I said, my email address is now banned.
If you make someone work that hard to get information then you are not going to have a very big audience. It is that simple.
I hope there is another motorsports facility built on the Island. I really hope a group or individual comes forward that can provide the financial and political resources to get this done.
ACNYPhoto
11-28-2010, 08:36 PM
I'm probably the minority here but I'd love to see a road course built on the property. Even though I own a big block chevelle I'd rather go play with it on a road course than on a drag strip, no way is it ever going on an oval, lol...
Seriously... I know many people who go to Lime Rock and NJMSP from LI to do track days, this goes for both cars and motorcycles. Build a motorcycle friendly road course (Lime Rock is not) and look to those 2 tracks for inspiration and they could keep that track going all week long with locals playing and the occasional big event to draw in the crowds and big dollars.
SuperShafts
11-28-2010, 09:56 PM
I had been a member of that board, and as I said, my email address is now banned.
If you make someone work that hard to get information then you are not going to have a very big audience. It is that simple.
I hope there is another motorsports facility built on the Island. I really hope a group or individual comes forward that can provide the financial and political resources to get this done.
Well we have a builder, sad that this is the attempt at finding a solution to the problem.....don't use the contact us e-mail or the webmaster email with a problem....
If you have gmail that is the only email service banned..
All you would have to do is use another mail service or contact 1 of the 2 said and let us know as others have WHO really want something to happen...
Again, we are not a social forum to waste time... sorry you can't understand the other issues involved.
What is your s/n on L.I.M.A.?
I'm probably the minority here but I'd love to see a road course built on the property. Even though I own a big block chevelle I'd rather go play with it on a road course than on a drag strip, no way is it ever going on an oval, lol...
Seriously... I know many people who go to Lime Rock and NJMSP from LI to do track days, this goes for both cars and motorcycles. Build a motorcycle friendly road course (Lime Rock is not) and look to those 2 tracks for inspiration and they could keep that track going all week long with locals playing and the occasional big event to draw in the crowds and big dollars.
If the town board accepts the proposal and doesn't scale them back.... you and me will both have a few cars out of the garage....
Been along time for one of them, gotta be over 11 years now since BH was stolen from us....
If you haven't already acny, join.... I can tell you here there isn't anyone else looking to build here other then the team here now, and if there dicked around with they're moving on..
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