7ny Confiscated After The Race

[Magicshoes12]

I was watching the Nationwide Race and saw Chad Little Escorting the 7ny to the Nascar Nationwide Series Hauler. Thought this was very odd....not was it until I got to Canaan and during the pit party was talking with a few of the drivers that it was said the 7ny was confiscated by nascar due to some illegal doings. The word was that there were holes drilled inside the bolt holes of the re-stricter plate allowing more air to pass through. By doing this, it in a way by passes the re-stricter plate and adds about 5 H.P. In my eyes this is a slap in the face to the WMT Regulars. Pretty obvious now why the 7ny was over a mile an hour faster in qualifying and unbelievably fast in practice. My only worry is that Nascar won't do much to them, because they bring in other people that haven't seen these cars and are only there to see Newman...I had a couple of them sitting behind me in the stands....So lets see what happens Tuesday!...

[BigMac]

I'm not sure how Nascar can take away the win if they didn't take the win away from TC after the Icebreaker. The 36 and 51 were docked 50 points and the crew chiefs were fined $500 after that race. I'd suspect more of the same here.

[uticamike]

I'm not sure how Nascar can take away the win if they didn't take the win away from TC after the Icebreaker. The 36 and 51 were docked 50 points and the crew chiefs were fined $500 after that race. I'd suspect more of the same here.

Taking away points froma team not chasing them and then slapping them with a WOPPING 500 dollar fine would be a bigger joke than doing

nothing. If the aligations are true and they have a doctored up plate or whatever, then anything short of a DQ would be a joke IMHO.

[Magicshoes12]

I'm not sure how Nascar can take away the win if they didn't take the win away from TC after the Icebreaker. The 36 and 51 were docked 50 points and the crew chiefs were fined $500 after that race. I'd suspect more of the same here.

Thats why its more of a slap in the face to the regulars on the WMT...if all of the rumors from Canaan are true, they basically came in and took points away, a win away, and some money away from the regulars, and it doesn't matter to them...they aren't racing for points so they don't care and they definitely don't need the money...my only question is why would Bono do that, does it make him feel good to have to do that to win? These are guys that have all the resources in the world, why...i feel i got ripped off Saturday...just my personal opinion...glad I went to Canaan after, got to see a really good race! It'll be interesting to see how this plays out

[shep 06]

Maybe if they spent as much thought into their respective CUP cars they wouldnt be where they are in points. Having said that Newman will probably win today.

[Magicshoes12]

Taking away points froma team not chasing them and then slapping them with a WOPPING 500 dollar fine would be a bigger joke than doing

nothing. If the aligations are true and they have a doctored up plate or whatever, then anything short of a DQ would be a joke IMHO.


Had also asked about if they would be DQ'd and the response was they no longer DQ cars they only penalize them. I feel like when racing online we have stricter rules than Nascar sometimes....you get caught cheating in our league you get thrown out....LOL

[uticamike]

You expect less from a company pushing ethanol on all of us? Went we know it's bad stuff.

[KH0429]

Had also asked about if they would be DQ'd and the response was they no longer DQ cars they only penalize them. I feel like when racing online we have stricter rules than Nascar sometimes....you get caught cheating in our league you get thrown out....LOL

Do you race in n2k3 or iRacing?

Thanks,
Jeff.

[modracer1]

I think NASCAR did actually DQ a car last year in the K&N series for illegal shocks, so if the 7NY team actually did what the rumors state then the win should be stripped. No question.

[MOD11RACER]

I said from the begining that when NASCAR did not DQ the 36 @ Thompson in the first race of the year for being illegal this was going to come back and bite the WMT in the ass and now it has. The 36 won $7,900 the Icebreaker @ Thompson and was fined only $500. The 36 was allowed to keep the win and all of the bonus points toward the championship and pocketed $7,400 for having an illegal race car. Rowan Pennink had the best race car that day and had to settle for second to an illegal race car.

Why not cheat every week and win the race and take home all the money ? What's going to stop you ? Certinly not NASCAR or a $500 fine.

So how is NASCAR going to DQ the 7ny, when they didn't DQ the 36 ?

Let's not forget NASCAR doesn't want anyone to know how much they pay the competitors because they have stopped posting how much the payouts are for the WMT, SWMT, K&E East and the K&N West. NASCAR only posts the finishing order now.

The 7ny won $16,150 for the win. That includes $650 for the illegal pole run.

Let's not forget the 7ny Modified team won over $41,000 from the WMT in 2010.

In the post race news conference Kevin Bono Manion tells everybody how this is so sweet to win this Modified race and this is where his roots are and how much he cares. Boy how's that for sticking it up the WMT ASS. What BS. Manion has to cheat to beat the teams on the WMT. That's Absolutely Disgusting

NASCAR needs to make this right now and DQ the 7ny and fine the 7ny team $50,000. Then take take the $50,000 and divide it up to the 34 WMT teams that attempted to qualify @ Loudon.

The 7ny was illegal hands down no questions asked. The powers to be even brought in John Dardy the big shot that calls all the shots for Tech and Disciplinary measures. Darby is the one who made the call to load it up and take the Modified to NASCAR headquarters in NC. Bottom line is that NASCAR knows this car the 7ny is blatantly illegal. There's no grey area about it.

[worm]

very well put.

[uticamike]

I said from the begining that when NASCAR did not DQ the 36 @ Thompson in the first race of the year for being illegal this was going to come back and bite the WMT in the ass and now it has. The 36 won $7,900 the Icebreaker @ Thompson and was fined only $500. The 36 was allowed to keep the win and all of the bonus points toward the championship and pocketed $7,400 for having an illegal race car. Rowan Pennink had the best race car that day and had to settle for second to an illegal race car.

Certainly not Why not cheat every week and win the race and take home all the money ? What's going to stop you ? Certinly not NASCAR or a $500 fine.

So how is NASCAR going to DQ the 7ny, when they didn't DQ the 36 ?

Let's not forget NASCAR doesn't want anyone to know how much they pay the competitors because they have stopped posting how much the payouts are for the WMT, SWMT, K&E East and the K&N West. NASCAR only posts the finishing order now.

The 7ny won $16,150 for the win. That includes $650 for the illegal pole run.

Let's not forget the 7ny Modified team won over $41,000 from the WMT in 2010.

In the post race news conference Kevin Bono Manion tells everybody how this is so sweet to win this Modified race and this is where his roots are and how much he cares. Boy how's that for sticking it up the WMT ASS. What BS. Manion has to cheat to beat the teams on the WMT. That's Absolutely Disgusting

NASCAR needs to make this right now and DQ the 7ny and fine the 7ny team $50,000. Then take take the $50,000 and divide it up to the 34 WMT teams that attempted to qualify @ Loudon.

The 7ny was illegal hands down no questions asked. The powers to be even brought in John Dardy the big shot that calls all the shots for Tech and Disciplinary measures. Darby is the one who made the call to load it up and take the Modified to NASCAR headquarters in NC. Bottom line is that NASCAR knows this car the 7ny is blatantly illegal. There's no grey area about it.

ah...... Couldn't we wait for a verdict before the lynching?

[WEEZER]

It was just mentioned on Dave Dispains Wind Tunnel!!!!

[Fred Wilcox]

From a posting on RaceNY: "Word on the streets is they had a hole in the intake that was filled with wax and painted silver. Once the temps came up the wax would melt allowing more air into the motor. That's why it passed pre race but failed post race. Only going to fine them and take some points."

[JWfor8x]

From a posting on RaceNY: "Word on the streets is they had a hole in the intake that was filled with wax and painted silver. Once the temps came up the wax would melt allowing more air into the motor. That's why it passed pre race but failed post race. Only going to fine them and take some points."

If it's true, for me, the penalty should be very simple. Take the win away and place them last. Suspend Manion form the WMT for the rest of the year and from all of NASCAR racing for one race as well as having to pay a real fine, not $500.00. I think it's much worse for a Cup guy to go down the ladder as far as the WMT is in the NASCAR scheme of things and cheat than for him to cheat in the top level. I'm not saying that it's right there either, but I think this is worse, if it actually happenned. If I'm right and it is worse, then the penalty should be harsher too. If there was no cheating, then, no harm no foul. We'll see how it all plays out.

JW

[JMB]

7NY bagged for cheating = Lynch Bono?
Teddy bagged for cheating in VRMS multiple times = Lynch Jack Bateman?

[Mod Squad]

Don't forget Burt Meyers had his win taken away at Martinsville a few years ago and they gave it to Preece.

As far as the 36 Team and Thompson, the wrong part number jet installed in the carb that was installed on two cars (36 and 51) with motors built by the same guy could be seen as an oversight by the engine builder and not a blatant attempt at "cheating".

Screwing with the manifold (if that's what happened) seems a little more blatant to me. I can't see how someone could have missed that during pre-race tech. if Concord does find something wrong with the car I seriously doubt anything will happen to Newman or Manion, as they are part of the golden boy division. All the press releases coming out of NHMS have said nothing about the possible cheating (except the Courant), instead calling it "The Perfect Weekend" for Newman.

I've been wondering for two years how those guys had nothing for anybody the first few times at the track and then all of sudden they're kicking everyone’s asses. If they were screwing with airflow around the motor, or with NASCAR's "provided restrictor plate Newman and Bono should both be ashamed of themselves. We’ll just have to wait and see what “Down South” says. JMHO

[JWfor8x]

Don't forget Burt Meyers had his win taken away at Martinsville a few years ago and they gave it to Preece.

As far as the 36 Team and Thompson, the wrong part number jet installed in the carb that was installed on two cars (36 and 51) with motors built by the same guy could be seen as an oversight by the engine builder and not a blatant attempt at "cheating".

Screwing with the manifold (if that's what happened) seems a little more blatant to me. I can't see how someone could have missed that during pre-race tech. if Concord does find something wrong with the car I seriously doubt anything will happen to Newman or Manion, as they are part of the golden boy division. All the press releases coming out of NHMS have said nothing about the possible cheating (except the Courant), instead calling it "The Perfect Weekend" for Newman.

I've been wondering for two years how those guys had nothing for anybody the first few times at the track and then all of sudden they're kicking everyone’s asses. If they were screwing with airflow around the motor, or with NASCAR's "provided restrictor plate Newman and Bono should both be ashamed of themselves. We’ll just have to wait and see what “Down South” says. JMHO

What I would like to know is if they were cheating here, why? Could have it been a case of them testing to see if they could do the same thing in the Sprint Cup restrictor plate races? I have been trying to figure out why they would even bother to cheat in the WMT and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

JW

[Mod Squad]

What I would like to know is if they were cheating here, why? Could have it been a case of them testing to see if they could do the same thing in the Sprint Cup restrictor plate races? I have been trying to figure out why they would even bother to cheat in the WMT and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

JW

I agree with it not making sense, that's why it's so hard for me to believe it. Right now we know nothing other than the rumors and speculation that are out here on the internet. I was just stating my opinion that I think even IF something is found, it's a black eye for the Golden Boys and would Concord really ever release what they found if anything. Self preservation, so to speak.

[Fred Wilcox]

Don't forget Burt Meyers had his win taken away at Martinsville a few years ago and they gave it to Preece.

As far as the 36 Team and Thompson, the wrong part number jet installed in the carb that was installed on two cars (36 and 51) with motors built by the same guy could be seen as an oversight by the engine builder and not a blatant attempt at "cheating".

Screwing with the manifold (if that's what happened) seems a little more blatant to me. I can't see how someone could have missed that during pre-race tech. if Concord does find something wrong with the car I seriously doubt anything will happen to Newman or Manion, as they are part of the golden boy division. All the press releases coming out of NHMS have said nothing about the possible cheating (except the Courant), instead calling it "The Perfect Weekend" for Newman.

I've been wondering for two years how those guys had nothing for anybody the first few times at the track and then all of sudden they're kicking everyone’s asses. If they were screwing with airflow around the motor, or with NASCAR's "provided restrictor plate Newman and Bono should both be ashamed of themselves. We’ll just have to wait and see what “Down South” says. JMHO

I'm with Mod Squad on this one as I believe there are different kinds of cheating subject to different punishments. Recently, a dirt modified driver won a race but his tires did not have the specific track stamp on them. They were the proper tires -- just not purchased from the correct source. Is this infraction the same as using a lightweight crank, messing with the intake manifold, or putting an foreign object in one cylinder to fool the guage?

To me, it comes down to something often referred to as "intent to deceive". There are honest mistakes and there is outright cheating often accompanied by an attempt to hide the improper act. These are very different and deserve very different sanctions.

In the tire example, a $500 fine should be sufficient as there was no performance advantage and no attempt to deceive. In the case of a blatent attempt to circumvent the rules, disqualification with no money and points might be the most appropriate actions.

[SUfan]

Don't forget Burt Meyers had his win taken away at Martinsville a few years ago and they gave it to Preece.

As far as the 36 Team and Thompson, the wrong part number jet installed in the carb that was installed on two cars (36 and 51) with motors built by the same guy could be seen as an oversight by the engine builder and not a blatant attempt at "cheating".

Screwing with the manifold (if that's what happened) seems a little more blatant to me. I can't see how someone could have missed that during pre-race tech. if Concord does find something wrong with the car I seriously doubt anything will happen to Newman or Manion, as they are part of the golden boy division. All the press releases coming out of NHMS have said nothing about the possible cheating (except the Courant), instead calling it "The Perfect Weekend" for Newman.

JMHO

It was on Speed at the end of their 7pm race show thanks to Dillner. It was also in the Lowell Sun Sunday, and will be again tomorrow as long as they don't edit that part out of the story. And I have a feeling that this week's AARN will be a must read for any Modified fan.

[shep 06]

Im sure NASCAR is scrambling to find the words to make sound like it was no big deal.I doubt we will ever know the truth.Newman will probably come back next time with a vengence and not let anybody lead a lap. To me it was worse when he let 2&6 car have some fun then just spank them when felt it was time

[TonyP]

It sure makes you wonder about the wins they have on the tour.....with all of their resources they have it doesn't say much for their confidence in their equipment or driver.

[WEEZER]

And to think Speedway Illustraded had this really nice article in the last months magizine on the 7NY!!

[Mod Squad]

I think that article was nothing more than smoke and mirrors. One guy working on the car in his home garage? Come on that car has cup influence all over it. (no disrespect intended to the REAL weekend warriors ie. Wade Cole).

[MOD11RACER]

What the hell makes this so hard to believe people?

The bottom line is the 7ny is illegal and if NASCAR tells you anything else they are flat out lying.

You people can't handle the truth. You would rather believe what NASCAR tells you? Are you kidding me? NASCAR has three days to put a spin on this with their best PR guys. NASCAR has to cover this up. You are talking about a Cup Crew Chief that won the Daytona 500 and the Brickyard 400 in 2010. How embarassing is this to NASCAR.

I will try to answer some of the questions that the non-believers on this board have.

The 7ny passed pre-race tech because the bolts in the intake were (that were drilled out) filled with wax and when the WMT official checked the intake and carburetor for air leaks there weren't any to be found. After the race, when the WMT official checked the intake and carburetor, he could hear the air leaks because the wax had melted. Then the call was made to bring in John Darby, the head official for tech for all of NASCAR. Why would they have to call in John Darby, the head of all NASCAR tech, if they didn't find something illegal? Come on folks you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Wake up.

If the top notch reporter from Hartford was on the ball he would have had this story from the beginning. This guy is busy bashing the WMT race instead of finding out why it was a runaway race. This is the same reporter that watched the first Bristol WMT race from his couch and said it was nothing special. Oh I forgot he is used to covering SK races with a total of 10 cars in a main event. He needs to back away from the feed bag once and awhile to do his job. He reported this story at around 8:30 pm when it went down around 3:00 pm. He must have been to busy watching the Nationwide pre-race crap that no one cares about.

UticaMike: How surprising it is that you would be on the side of NASCAR and the 7ny and the cheating crew chief and car owner Manion. You love to bash the WMT. You really like to see the regulars on the WMT get their ass whipped by a cheater. Manion and the 7ny team also stole $41,000 from the WMT in 2010. Oh I forgot you run the ROC Tour where you guys finish 12th everytime you race and with no tech. No one has ever seen $41,000 in three races on that tour. Too bad you will never have a chance to know what it would feel like to be cheated out of $41,000.

Great last lap pass by Szegedy for the win over Silk. I stole that line.

[Mod Squad]

I don't know who the "non-believers" are but everything I've read in this thread shows that most people think they were illegal and Concord isn't going to do anything. Most people are just waiting to see what's going to happen before they pass judgement. JMHO.

[worm]

wwf wwf wwf

[CTtoPA]

$41,000 in three races? The World of Outlaws sprint cars just had a $50,000 to win race this past weekend. Maybe it's time to give up the asphalt racing for the dirt?

[JWfor8x]

You people can't handle the truth. You would rather believe what NASCAR tells you? Are you kidding me? NASCAR has three days to put a spin on this with their best PR guys. NASCAR has to cover this up. You are talking about a Cup Crew Chief that won the Daytona 500 and the Brickyard 400 in 2010. How embarassing is this to NASCAR.




The above is only a partial quote, but I think it hits on why it is such a big deal for NASCAR. A Cup crew chief who last year won two restrictor plate Cup races has hid WMT car confiscated after winning a restrictor plate WMT race? Hmmnnn...maybe he cheated in a similar way in the Cup series? Maybe he was using the modified to gain an advantage in the Cup races? I don't know, but I don't expect that NASCAR will tell me either. All that I do know is this. If that is what actually happenned, for me, it's really terrible.

[Steve in NC]

Leaving all speculation aside and letting those chips fall where they may.... can anyone answer these questions for me please?:

Was the same process and/or tools that were used on Saturday for the pre/post race inspection used at last years NHMS and Bristol races?

Is the NWMT still restricted to the 390 carb to where even on a non restrictor plate race would this "alledged" wax filled hole be an advantage?

Thanks in advance,
Steve

[BigMac]

Last year was last year. Those races are in the books. The races he won last year were highly competitive in my mind. The 16 was all over Newman at Bristol. TC was right there last June at NHMS. To say they cheated in every race they've ever entered is crazy. Nobody is calling for the 36 to give back all of their winnings last year because of an illegal part found this year. Let's deal with Saturday and Saturday alone. If they went thru the same post race inspections last year and nothing was found why are they being condemed for those wins? Sure they opened themselves up to some questions but the focus should be on Saturday's findings.

[MXCHAMP04]

WOW. I just caught this. What I don't get is why would nascar allow Newman to run in the WMT series if they consider it a "developmental series"? You would NEVER see in motocross an expert rider racing in the amateur class just because they felt like it. The funny thing is, I was telling my girlfriend there on saturday that they were illegal. I told her look how he just laid back until lap 85 the went by the 6 and 2 like nothing. Theres no driver on earth that is that good to make that kind of difference. I told her they have an illegal car. Shame on them, theyre total rats IMO.

[NCmodfan]

Hey ModSquad , have you ever been to the guys house in NC where the 7ny is kept, unless you have maybe you should'nt say anything. There are lots of talented guys down in NC who started in the mods,and have alot of talent. Also there jobs are in the cup garage but there hobbies are at their homes in there garage. I would be willing to bet that, the 7ny is kept in a small garage a crew members house. Why else would Speedway Illustrated say it there article. Cup influence ,So your saying just because you work at a cup shop your hobbie race car should not run good, what is the guy supposed to do leave his brain in his toolbox at the cup shop. Did you ever think that maybe part suppliers to them, give them a deal to get the publicity from when they win. You ever see the amount of other drivers and crew members that look real hard at the 7ny to see what are doing. Maybe you spend too much time on that other site (HC) and listen to that moron. He would'nt go to race unless he got in free. I wonder if his boy Rocco is 100% legal at every race. He just watches the great job Denise does and try to report it. GO 7ny and Bono and don't forget the crew guy in his basement working by himself.. Good Luck at Bristol and NHMS in September.

[gmac19]

Last year was last year. Those races are in the books. The races he won last year were highly competitive in my mind. The 16 was all over Newman at Bristol. TC was right there last June at NHMS. To say they cheated in every race they've ever entered is crazy. Nobody is calling for the 36 to give back all of their winnings last year because of an illegal part found this year. Let's deal with Saturday and Saturday alone. If they went thru the same post race inspections last year and nothing was found why are they being condemed for those wins? Sure they opened themselves up to some questions but the focus should be on Saturday's findings.

no restrictor plate at bristol so everyones on a even playing field.... the car did not go on the track for practice so while all the teams were out there drafting they were busy drilling holes and putting wax in the holes while the engine was nice and cold.

[SUfan]

Good point GMac19. Newman probably wouldn't practice anyway to focus on Cup practice, which starts right after the Mods are done, although Edwards and Kahne practiced when they ran Modifieds. But if Newman did run that practice there wouldn't be much time between that and inspection for the engine to cool, and to pull this wax job off without someone seeing it. They start sending the Mods through tech a short time after practice is over.

[Mod Squad]

Hey ModSquad , have you ever been to the guys house in NC where the 7ny is kept, unless you have maybe you should'nt say anything. There are lots of talented guys down in NC who started in the mods,and have alot of talent. Also there jobs are in the cup garage but there hobbies are at their homes in there garage. I would be willing to bet that, the 7ny is kept in a small garage a crew members house. Why else would Speedway Illustrated say it there article. Cup influence ,So your saying just because you work at a cup shop your hobbie race car should not run good, what is the guy supposed to do leave his brain in his toolbox at the cup shop. Did you ever think that maybe part suppliers to them, give them a deal to get the publicity from when they win. You ever see the amount of other drivers and crew members that look real hard at the 7ny to see what are doing. Maybe you spend too much time on that other site (HC) and listen to that moron. He would'nt go to race unless he got in free. I wonder if his boy Rocco is 100% legal at every race. He just watches the great job Denise does and try to report it. GO 7ny and Bono and don't forget the crew guy in his basement working by himself.. Good Luck at Bristol and NHMS in September.

Hey NCmodfan, no I haven't been to his house. That's not the point of my comment which I also stated was JMHO (Just My Humble Opinion). I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to have one.

Either way, that wasn't the point. Saying that a Cup level crew chief, car chief, and driver is the same as a weekend racer. Is just not realistic. While it may be a "hobby" to them, the truth is they have more money, more assets (ECR Engine Technology), and whatever other perks they can get.

Very few people can crew a car by themselves and be successful at the WMT level. Even the guys that run a weekly series have AT LEAST 2 or 3 guys volunteering a couple nights a week just to make sure the car is ready for the track.

I never had a problem with top level guys competing in the Mods. Bring it on, but do it legally and have fun, may the best driver win. Either way it doesn't matter what my opinion is or yours for that matter. Because Concord doesn't care, they will do whatever is right for the big series in their eyes. Have a great night.

[uticamike]

"UticaMike: How surprising it is that you would be on the side of NASCAR and the 7ny and the cheating crew chief and car owner Manion. You love to bash the WMT. You really like to see the regulars on the WMT get their ass whipped by a cheater. Manion and the 7ny team also stole $41,000 from the WMT in 2010. Oh I forgot you run the ROC Tour where you guys finish 12th everytime you race and with no tech. No one has ever seen $41,000 in three races on that tour. Too bad you will never have a chance to know what it would feel like to be cheated out of $41,000."

First of all how what does the average finish of my (team) have to do with the price of tea on China? We are not talking about the ROC (or did I miss something)? I'm on NASCARS side but I love to "bash" them!!! ?????? Well, which is it? I'm on the side of fairness and doing the right thing
(as I see it). The 7NY deserves their day in "court' and many of you already have them guilty based on your own personal bias. Me, I'm waiting for some facts (pardon me). I "bash" ,as you put it, NASCAR when I think they have it coming but no it's not because I "love" doing so. Do you by
chance go by the name Thunderfied on RaceNY? You both love to toss around this unfounded "fact" that the 7NY team stole 41K from the Tour guys the last couple of years without proof but I'm the one that loves to bash? Bye:wave: fool.

[MOD11RACER]

Are you kidding me !!! How the hell can anyone on this board say the 7ny was legal. I told you what went down. I was at tech. They cheated. Blatantly CHEATED. Is there any intelligence on here. You guys are playing right into NASCAR's hands. I can't believe it. 3 tenths of a second with a restricter plate and you still think he was legal. You give the cup guys too much credit.

The Tour regulars beat Stewart, Edwards, Kahne, Newman, Logano, Kyle Busch, Petree and any other phony from the Cup, Nationwide or Truck series on a regular basis and all of a sudden the 7ny is god's gift to whipping up on the Tour regulars. Wake up and smell the roses. NASCAR screws the Modifieds all the time and you're still going to believe their BS.

Then someone says all of the Modifieds are on even terms @ Bristol. Please think before you type. Any extra air that enters into the carburetor or through the manifold has an advantage, whether it has a restrictor plate or not. JC are you all that stupid ?

Apparently everyone on this board must think the following is what they believe.

Oh my god the Cup guys, the greatest crew chiefs and drivers in the world they don't need to cheat to beat anybody on the WMT. They don't need to do that. Do they.

Just think about it. THE 7ny DID CHEAT AND IF NASCAR SAYS ANYTHING DIFFERENT THEY ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS AND WE ALL KNOW NASCAR LOVES TO PLAY THE COVER UP GAME.

[MOD11RACER]

"UticaMike: How surprising it is that you would be on the side of NASCAR and the 7ny and the cheating crew chief and car owner Manion. You love to bash the WMT. You really like to see the regulars on the WMT get their ass whipped by a cheater. Manion and the 7ny team also stole $41,000 from the WMT in 2010. Oh I forgot you run the ROC Tour where you guys finish 12th everytime you race and with no tech. No one has ever seen $41,000 in three races on that tour. Too bad you will never have a chance to know what it would feel like to be cheated out of $41,000."

First of all how what does the average finish of my (team) have to do with the price of tea on China? We are not talking about the ROC (or did I miss something)? I'm on NASCARS side but I love to "bash" them!!! ?????? Well, which is it? I'm on the side of fairness and doing the right thing
(as I see it). The 7NY deserves their day in "court' and many of you already have them guilty based on your own personal bias. Me, I'm waiting for some facts (pardon me). I "bash" ,as you put it, NASCAR when I think they have it coming but no it's not because I "love" doing so. Do you by
chance go by the name Thunderfied on RaceNY? You both love to toss around this unfounded "fact" that the 7NY team stole 41K from the Tour guys the last couple of years without proof but I'm the one that loves to bash? Bye:wave: fool.

Oh your so right agian Mike, please excuse me. You sure can run your mouth, but you can't take the truth. Maybe you should read your own posts. You bash the WMT and the WMT FANS anytime you get the chance. Go ahead and tell me and everyone else on this site that you don't do that. Why don't you repeat what you said about the WMT fans on this board.

[Bob T. Racer]

Good point GMac19. Newman probably wouldn't practice anyway to focus on Cup practice, which starts right after the Mods are done, although Edwards and Kahne practiced when they ran Modifieds. But if Newman did run that practice there wouldn't be much time between that and inspection for the engine to cool, and to pull this wax job off without someone seeing it. They start sending the Mods through tech a short time after practice is over.

The motors have to go through tech and have the restrictor plate put on by Nascar and the carb sealed before practice, so wouldn't the wax have melted in practice? Nascar techs the cars again before time trials and after time trials so wouldn't they have seen this?

[MJProcko]

If they did what is alleged, then this is as severe as the "traction control" device of Burt Myers. Stripping them of the win, pole and all moneys won as well as probation for the rest of the year are the only acceptable penalties.

They already have all the technology of RCR engines as well as all the Cup knowledge so the need to cheat is just ludicris. Not to mention they had already won at Bristol without the plates.

And if they don't have the respect for the the WMT and bring the 7ny back again legal for Bristol to redeem themselves then I sure am not going to miss them other than the #7ny at the track.

[BOWATCHER]

With all that is going on lately.If I were a track promoter I would do whatever it takes to bring that 7NY car making all the head lines to the next few NON RESTRICTIVE tour shows. It would definately be fun too watch .Win or lose this team needs to prove themselves after this recent fiasco. Success would quiet most critics . JMO

[Gil]

I thought that the report was coming on Wednesday! It is Wednesday, where is the report???????????/

[NC Mudcat]

Are you kidding me !!! How the hell can anyone on this board say the 7ny was legal. I told you what went down. I was at tech. They cheated. Blatantly CHEATED. Is there any intelligence on here. You guys are playing right into NASCAR's hands. I can't believe it. 3 tenths of a second with a restricter plate and you still think he was legal. You give the cup guys too much credit.

Apparently everyone on this board must think the following is what they believe.

Remember the Duke Lacrosse story some years back when the girl accused the boys of raping her? She had witnessess and those boys were crucified by the law, the people and the press. They lost their scholarships and playing opportunities and who knows what else. Then we found out it was all untrue.

The point: I learned to wait on the truth. If they are found wrong, then they should pay a stiff penalty. Until then, it's all talk. I mean you no disrespect, but "I told you what went down?" You may be "the man," but everyone here, myself included, doesn't know that. You may be right, but I'll wait for the word from above. Until then, this is all speculation. Will NASCAR taint the decision some way? Probably, but they are in charge, and if we don't trust them or go by their decisions, we should get out and go play in another field.

And yes, there is plenty of intelligence on here. But the wise man knows not to talk when someone else may know more than he, and he also knows to stand back and see the big picture until the whole story, not just parts, unfolds.

[Steve in NC]

Remember the Duke Lacrosse story some years back when the girl accused the boys of raping her? She had witnessess and those boys were crucified by the law, the people and the press. They lost their scholarships and playing opportunities and who knows what else. Then we found out it was all untrue.

The point: I learned to wait on the truth. If they are found wrong, then they should pay a stiff penalty. Until then, it's all talk. I mean you no disrespect, but "I told you what went down?" You may be "the man," but everyone here, myself included, doesn't know that. You may be right, but I'll wait for the word from above. Until then, this is all speculation. Will NASCAR taint the decision some way? Probably, but they are in charge, and if we don't trust them or go by their decisions, we should get out and go play in another field.

And yes, there is plenty of intelligence on here. But the wise man knows not to talk when someone else may know more than he, and he also knows to stand back and see the big picture until the whole story, not just parts, unfolds.

amen. i.e. my silence at several of the above posts.

[grinch]

early word fresh from nascar in charlotte is 7 car stripped of win recd no points or payoff.......not stamped in stone but thats the buzz from the big building........

[CTtoPA]

Can't wait to read the press release. Good to see Todd get the win after having issues there the past couple races.

[BigMac]

The 2 team may be the team to beat going down the stretch

[ShawnCourchesne]

NASCAR Strips Ryan Newman Of New Hampshire Motor Speedway Victory ( http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/)

[Mod Squad]

http://hometracks.nascar.com/penalty/Car_No_7_NASCAR_Whelen_Modified_Tour_Team_Penalize d_For_Rules_Violations_At_New_Hampshire

I'm glad Concord/Daytona did something With the DQ, they proved me wrong about that.

[ShawnCourchesne]

Ryan Newman And Kevin Manion Prove Themselves Disgraceful Thieves Of NASCAR Short Track Racers ( http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/)

[gomodsgo]

http://hometracks.nascar.com/penalty/Car_No_7_NASCAR_Whelen_Modified_Tour_Team_Penalize d_For_Rules_Violations_At_New_Hampshire

Nope NOT enough said. I CAN NOT WAIT to hear or read the press release that will come from the 7NY team.

[TMAC]

$41,000 in three races? The world of outlaws sprint cars just had a $50,000 to win race this past weekend. Maybe it's time to give up the asphalt racing for the dirt?

bingo!!! There are by far more races on dirt paying alot more money than on asphalt,and a few are trying it out now.been saying this to my friends for a while,just look at pennsylvania as a whole,there are alot of racers living off of racing there..as well as traveling

[Magicshoes12]

:applause::)

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 2ND WIN OF THE YEAR TODD!!!

[Axel]

wow -- but if they were caught cheating then they most definitely got what they deserved. Sean's article also mentioed that, "NASCAR also suspended the team Newman drove with from competing on the Whelen Modified Tour for the remainder of the 2011 season. "

[NC Mudcat]

MOD11RACER, I'll be the first to say you were right. I still don't quite like the way you said it and questioned all our intelligence, but again, I acknowledge you were right.

NASCAR, good job! This is the right penalty. I'll be glad when racing goes back to the old days when most everyone cheated something, and when caught, they were listed on the final order as DQ, with no points, no fines and no money!

Mr. 7NY car owner, own up to this one.

[Mod Squad]

Now that the story is officially on the street. I have a question, more curious than anything. NASCAR fragged the 7NY Team for the infractions listed in the press release. I wonder who at ECR Engines new what was going on. Was this the crew themselves messing with the motor, or the builder, or both? I would think that due to the altered state of airflow in the motor, it's going to have to be tuned differently no? Maybe some of the knowledgeable types on the board could expand on that.

[bud]

Apparently you have different glasses for every situation.....lol
Omg you are too funny sticking up for a cheater and not teddy.
Looking for a job at S-H racing?

[uticamike]

Apparently you have different glasses for every situation.....lol
Omg you are too funny sticking up for a cheater and not teddy.
Looking for a job at S-H racing?

I stuck up for what cheater? You mean the one that wasn't yet found guilty? ( at the time of my post). Teddy cheats right? Because I said so

or there is hard evidence of same? Hey BUD!!!! Were you on the Casey Anthony jury by any chance?

[redliner]

YES!!! Thanks NASCAR for sending a strong message. It's about time the punishment fit the crime. It is hard for the honest racers, crews, and owners to be competitive against cheaters.

[bud]

I woulda Hung her. If you're trunk smells like rancid meat or wax you're guilty! They should try that jury too. BTW just for the record I'm in favor of capital punishment too! Seriously they let her go crazy!

[uticamike]

"Were you on the Casey Anthony jury by any chance?"...

Bud, This is called a rhetorical question, look up what that means. As to the meat of my post you didn't bother to repond to that. Why?

[ModTourMan]

Well done NASCAR. A strong punishment was needed for this one. What a shame that the much revered Modified number 7NY has been disgraced by this team. I'm just glad the car was painted that hideous yellow and blue instead of Tom Baldwin's proper black paint scheme...makes it (ever so slightly) easier to take.

[JWfor8x]

I think that this time, NASCAR got it right. I think the punishment fits the crime.
There is still one thing that really does bother me though and that's simply the question of why? Why would that bunch cheat at this level? I love the modifieds, have since the late 1950's, early 1960's, but let's face it. In the NASCAR structure, the WMT is the equivalent of Class A minor leagure baseball compared to the major leagues. I just don't get it. Unless they could figure a way to cheat here and not get caught that they could use in Sprint Cup racing without getting caught, what's to gain? The purse? I doubt that. Prestige gained by winning? What prestige for them? The thrill of victory? I guess, but highly doubt it. I just don't get it, but it really does bother me. I'm just glad that Todd Szegedy finally got his deserved win and that Manion and company paid as they so justly deserved to. Oh yes, one more thing. I also think they got it right with Ryan Newman. He lost the win, but I have no idea whether he knew what was going on or not so I think just taking the win from him was enough.

JW

[hollywoodmic]

Didn't TC come from 2 laps down at the Ice Breaker and win with an illegal carburator?? How come no one was calling for a lifetime TC ban?? How come barely anyone took shots at the car owner and the crew chief, like we are doing here??

Bono fu*ked up and got caught. Is the problem that they won the 3 races last year and passed tech?? Listen all the Modified purest out there got their wish, the 7ny wont be back this year. I think its a shame because if it showed up legal at the next race, I bet he'd win it again. I would also have loved to see if the Modified guys roughed Ryan up a little bit and made it a tougher race to win.

I just think NASCAR should be consistant with their calls. Someone said this gave the 7ny 5 more horsepower, how many horses did TC have in that Carb??? He still has the win, he still got the $$$. I never read Shawn's article about those disgraceful theives from the 36 camp.

I think my point is everyone is upset because the 7ny keeps showing up for select races ( the big$ ones) and he keeps winning. That's why everyone is soooooo pissed. He shows up doesn't practice at Bristol and wins the race. They show up with the big dollar sponsor and the big time crew and win the race. The only time the Modifieds get any media talk on TV is when he shows up and he wins the race. Perhaps everyone is just sick of the 7ny winning the races. That's why there was such a backlash on the 7ny being illegal and not the 36 for coming from 2 laps down to win a race with an illegal carburator. Let me say again, I do not agree with what Bono has done here. I just think that some peoples reactions are based on these guys showing up and just whooping people.

[bud]

The difference is TC needs the money....lol......BTW he crushed them with a legal car next time out at Thompson........and just like Ryan I'm sure he knew nothing. Seriously if either had a clue do you go out and make it obvious? mike. I'm kinda playin with you. It's ok to not like Ted....lol

[WMT10]

I may be wrong but I do not remeber them checking for vacuum leaks before or after the race in the past,this was the first time since I have been a crew member that I have seen them sniff the motor before quallifiying and the race.This car may have been illegal for his other NH wins they just never did the vacuum test in tech.

[Bob T. Racer]

Didn't TC come from 2 laps down at the Ice Breaker and win with an illegal carburator?? How come no one was calling for a lifetime TC ban?? How come barely anyone took shots at the car owner and the crew chief, like we are doing here??

Bono fu*ked up and got caught. Is the problem that they won the 3 races last year and passed tech?? Listen all the Modified purest out there got their wish, the 7ny wont be back this year. I think its a shame because if it showed up legal at the next race, I bet he'd win it again. I would also have loved to see if the Modified guys roughed Ryan up a little bit and made it a tougher race to win.

I just think NASCAR should be consistant with their calls. Someone said this gave the 7ny 5 more horsepower, how many horses did TC have in that Carb??? He still has the win, he still got the $$$. I never read Shawn's article about those disgraceful theives from the 36 camp.

I think my point is everyone is upset because the 7ny keeps showing up for select races ( the big$ ones) and he keeps winning. That's why everyone is soooooo pissed. He shows up doesn't practice at Bristol and wins the race. They show up with the big dollar sponsor and the big time crew and win the race. The only time the Modifieds get any media talk on TV is when he shows up and he wins the race. Perhaps everyone is just sick of the 7ny winning the races. That's why there was such a backlash on the 7ny being illegal and not the 36 for coming from 2 laps down to win a race with an illegal carburator. Let me say again, I do not agree with what Bono has done here. I just think that some peoples reactions are based on these guys showing up and just whooping people.

Great post hollywood, just like i said after the Icebreaker- ANYBODY caught CHEATING for ANYTHING should be DQ'ed no matter who's fault it is. Back in the day, that's the way it was - done deal! Teams would MAYBE stop cheating if they knew this was going to be the case.

[Steve in NC]

I may be wrong but I do not remeber them checking for vacuum leaks before or after the race in the past,this was the first time since I have been a crew member that I have seen them sniff the motor before quallifiying and the race.This car may have been illegal for his other NH wins they just never did the vacuum test in tech.

WMT10,
Thanks for answering my question.

And to anyone that wants to jump on the "the past is the past bandwagon"... I agree. You can't change anything in the past.
I asked this question from a pure engineering perspective in questioning the tech procedures in general knowing the 390 carb restriction. Restrictor plate or not... when you have a limit on the size of the carb it is the same as running a restrictor plate. You are restricting air flow to the motor to reduced HP. Increase that airflow by "other" means and bingo.
I would love to hear from one of the motor guys on this board if you applied this same thing that Bono was caught doing to a non-restrictor plate motor with a by the WMT rules, 390 cfm carb... what is it worth if anything? If its worth something..... maybe NASCAR needs to change their weekly inspection process. That is what I was getting at all along.

Steve

I do find it interesting how much penalty money that Manion run Cup teams have paid over the years for rules infractions. Made the top 10 list.

[Steve in NC]

Great post hollywood, just like i said after the Icebreaker- ANYBODY caught CHEATING for ANYTHING should be DQ'ed no matter who's fault it is. Back in the day, that's the way it was - done deal! Teams would MAYBE stop cheating if they knew this was going to be the case.

I agree 100% with being consistant with penalties also. No different than disiplining your kids or dog. If you go light on the first "infraction", it doesn't take a child or a dog long to figure out that the fun of doing wrong is worth more than the light penalty. They will continue to do it over and over until the penalty hurts worse than the crime.
I have been the referee at more than one State and National level event involving highly accurate rifles. Dealt with men and enforcing rules many times in the heat of competition. An infraction of the rules no matter how small needs to be enforced or you need to throw the rulebook out the door. The only time you can "bend" a penalty is if it was an honest mistake or a blatent attempt to circumvent the rules. But a minimum amount of penalty needs to be applied to either case. For blatent attempts at cheating.. throw the book at them. They will learn.

I applaud NASCAR for this ruling. Did I jsut say that? uuggghh

Steve

[NC Mudcat]

so the owner's stance is "circumstances beyond our control?" Really!!!

[BChat]

I stuck up for what cheater? You mean the one that wasn't yet found guilty? ( at the time of my post). Teddy cheats right? Because I said so

or there is hard evidence of same? Hey BUD!!!! Were you on the Casey Anthony jury by any chance?

The mentioning of a case involving the death of a child here is one of the most tasteless things I have seen in all my years on forums.

[Racer1_NC]

The mentioning of a case involving the death of a child here is one of the most tasteless things I have seen in all my years on forums.

With all due respect, you must not get out much........


Back to the threads subject...... NASCAR made the right move here. The only thing I would have done differently had I been the one to make the call would be to give them a week or 2 off at the cup level as well.

[Fat Albert]

"It isn't cheating until you get caught!" I wish they had caught them last year.
If they were cheating last year, they stole a lot of money from the Whelan Modified Tour.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/nascar_needs_to_take_a_harder.html

[Mod Squad]

Whatever http://www.rcrracing.com/messageboards/trans/displayShortMsgRpt.asp?type=1&id=4682

[worm]

lol lol lol lol lol lol

[modfan4ever]

Hey ModSquad , have you ever been to the guys house in NC where the 7ny is kept, unless you have maybe you should'nt say anything. There are lots of talented guys down in NC who started in the mods,and have alot of talent. Also there jobs are in the cup garage but there hobbies are at their homes in there garage. I would be willing to bet that, the 7ny is kept in a small garage a crew members house. Why else would Speedway Illustrated say it there article. Cup influence ,So your saying just because you work at a cup shop your hobbie race car should not run good, what is the guy supposed to do leave his brain in his toolbox at the cup shop. Did you ever think that maybe part suppliers to them, give them a deal to get the publicity from when they win. You ever see the amount of other drivers and crew members that look real hard at the 7ny to see what are doing. Maybe you spend too much time on that other site (HC) and listen to that moron. He would'nt go to race unless he got in free. I wonder if his boy Rocco is 100% legal at every race. He just watches the great job Denise does and try to report it. GO 7ny and Bono and don't forget the crew guy in his basement working by himself.. Good Luck at Bristol and NHMS in September.


Maybe the guy who wrote this CHEATS too.. at his local track.....

[Mod Squad]

Not worth the time.

[WEEZER]

Dam man, they just made a mistake building that motor!!! Oh well, we all make mistakes right??? I shot the mail man thinking he was a robber, my bad, made a mistake!!! I'm laughing as hard as the 7ny team is at this. It's one thing if a regular on the tour cheats and gets caught (cheating is wrong period) but when a Cup Driver steps down 3 divisions with all his resourses, money, experience and skill and STILL has to CHEAT is a FU&KING EMBARRASEMENT. Hey Ryan and team, I hope your so ashamed of your selves that you can't even go out and get a coffee from 7-11.
Thank you NASCAR for doing the right thing this time, I feel bad for the "everyday, blue collar working guys who are part of the MOD Tour that got ripped off buy the primadonna classless 7ny team.

[Sicklajoie]

So were there really drilled out intake bolts filled in with wax?

[Racer1_NC]

Whatever http://www.rcrracing.com/messageboards/trans/displayShortMsgRpt.asp?type=1&id=4682

From the above link:

ECR Engines apologizes for the steps that led to the disqualification at New Hampshire Motor Speedway. There was absolutely no intent on our part to circumvent the rulebook. We simply made a mistake when building the engine. We offer our sincere apologies to Kevin Manion and everyone at Kevin Manion Racing, Ryan Newman and his fans, and NASCAR.

If there was "absolutely no intent on our part to circumvent the rulebook" , what exactly was the intent? Do engine builder routinely use drilled bolts filled with wax in other forms of racing? You might could sell me on the "no intent" if somehow a cup part was "mistakenly" used in the engine.....that's not the case here.

They got caught trying to do an end run around the rule book. It's just as simple as that. At least be man enough to own up to it.

[Mod Squad]

Here is my opinion, and it doesn’t mean much. ECR build motors for *******’s premier divisions. If you are doing that job, at THAT level, you don’t make “mistakes” like that. I mean come on they don’t have a build sheet, or parts list, or a copy of the rule book while assembling this motor? I’d love to know the horsepower output.

Anyway they are self-prescribed “professionals” as stated on their web site.

“ECR currently employs more than 130 professionals dedicated to building the best high performance racing engines at the track. Day-to-day leadership is provided by Richie Gilmore (General Manager), Dr. Andy Randolph (Engine Technical Director), Rick Mann (Chief Engine Builder), Lanny Barnes (Nationwide Series Chief Engine Builder) and Greg Ollish (Nationwide Series Production manager). ECR strives every day to lead the industry in performance and innovation.”

Either somebody knew what was going on or you are completely incompetent. In my experience, I would think the builder knew and SOMEONE at the track had to know to tune it. JMHO for whatever it’s worth.

[bud]

The 36 and the 51 had the same issue....maybe Ted and brad broke into the 51 team shop to help them out too? That looked like an oversight by tony. The bs we forgot to torque the intake down....... and NASCAR says illegal gaskets shimmed......give me a break who's telling the truth? So maybe I'm confused. Define "nice guy"

[CTtoPA]

I think the "mistake" they are referring to is the decision to intentionally use unapproved parts in an attempt to circumvent the rules. Kinda makes me wonder about McMurray's success in the restrictor plate races.

[JEFF]

Bono wants to give back to the mods. Newsflash we dont need you running illegal stinking up the show. If you want to give back, give back the money you stole. The mod tour was just fine without you.

[worm]

you are so right JEFF

[BOWATCHER]

Last time i checked any kind of air leak would create a lean problem. Usually the car ends up on pit road with a burned piston(s). After watching this on pit road for 90 wide open green flag laps and no mechanical malfunctions I really feel that the situation was well rehearsed in and on there dyno room. JMO

[RGeeProductions]

Last time i checked any kind of air leak would create a lean problem. Usually the car ends up on pit road with a burned piston(s). After watching this on pit road for 90 wide open green flag laps and no mechanical malfunctions I really feel that the situation was well rehearsed in and on there dyno room. JMO

Increase jet size... JMO...

[Modtour4]

Increase jet size... JMO...
Why would you increase the jet size unless you knew the engine was sucking more air?

JMO

[Steve in NC]

Rich,
I beleive that is what Bowatcher was referring to. In order to not run too lean and burn a piston after that many green flag laps.... its most likely this "lean condition" was at LEAST known by the person that did the motor tuning and installed the proper jets to not run lean and hot. In other words... SOMEONE on the 7ny team likely knew in advance of this circumventing of the rules.

The million dollar question is... who? who's name is on the check to ECR for the motor? That would be a good start. But at this point I think the shot over the bow from NASCAR has spoken pretty loudly and the rest of this is really semantics. I only hope NASCAR learned a lesson in tech inspection of non-restrictor plate races also.

Steve

[RGeeProductions]

Why would you increase the jet size unless you knew the engine was sucking more air?

JMO

Again, this was just MY response to Bowatcher's comment.
No where did I say or was it written by anyone in a story, anywhere, that they did... GEEZ!!!!!!

[RGeeProductions]

Rich,
I beleive that is what Bowatcher was referring to. In order to not run too lean and burn a piston after that many green flag laps.... its most likely this "lean condition" was at LEAST known by the person that did the motor tuning and installed the proper jets to not run lean and hot. In other words... SOMEONE on the 7ny team likely knew in advance of this circumventing of the rules.

The million dollar question is... who? who's name is on the check to ECR for the motor? That would be a good start. But at this point I think the shot over the bow from NASCAR has spoken pretty loudly and the rest of this is really semantics. I only hope NASCAR learned a lesson in tech inspection of non-restrictor plate races also.

Steve

Totally agree with ya Steve..

[Modtour4]

Again, this was just MY response to Bowatcher's comment.

Rich,

I think you're starting to take this a little too personnel.

You mentioned larger jets. I agree with you, if you (meaning anyone, NOT you) changed to larger jets, then they knew the engine was sucking in more air, therefore, illegal.



No where did I say or was it written by anyone in a story, anywhere, that they did... GEEZ!!!!!!

No one said you did!!!!!!

Russ