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44chargerfan
07-15-2005, 12:38 PM
Where would you rather have a new track.

LongIslandJam
07-15-2005, 08:07 PM
Where's this 1 1/2 mile track in Yaphank:-P ??? :confused:

LongIslandJam
07-15-2005, 08:22 PM
Yes we can! That's the beauty!

44chargerfan
07-15-2005, 08:50 PM
Sorry guys i was in a rush its Yaphank

LongIslandJam
07-15-2005, 08:58 PM
Ok I corrected it, if that's ok with you.

44chargerfan
07-15-2005, 11:16 PM
Its Fine Ja :)

BWR
07-16-2005, 11:49 AM
I PERSONALLY WOULD PEFER A BIGGER TRACK. BUT WE ALL NEED TO REMEMBER, LONG ISLAND HAS HAD RACING FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND RIVERHEAD SURVIVED IT ALL. BUT, I LIKE THE YAPHANK TRACK'S THEME....I JUST WANT RACING TO STAY ON THE ISLAND. MY THOUGHTS.....WHICH IS PROBABLY 2 CENTS WORTH HERE. :lol:

P.S.- W.J PLEASE CHECK ;)

DONE-WJ

The Bullfather
07-16-2005, 12:25 PM
With the project for the Yaphank track, it's looks like Long Island is finally moving towards a great economy if it follows through. I say "Long Island" because, with Mr. Charles Wang wanting to re-haul the Nassau Colisseum plans, check out Newsday to see the plans. He just revised the project. With Top Gun and Mr. Wang, we cover both ends of the Island almost and bring jobs to the community with housing sky rocketing all over the place! :wave: :p

tgse
07-18-2005, 07:22 PM
a large track at Grumman is not even the most remote of a possiblity-should not be a choice

RGeeProductions
07-18-2005, 09:18 PM
I live here in Riverhead and sad but true it won't happen but question was "Where would you rather have a new track", so I believe choice should stay. I would rather have it here also but will take anything 1/2 - 3/4 mile!!!

Mortgage Guy
07-18-2005, 11:43 PM
Grumman is such wasted land, you already have 2 straightaways and a garage area, but instead it just sits there being broken into small fragments that are usless....I wish they would build it there like Trump wanted, it would have created a ton of jobs for the locals...

tgse
07-19-2005, 09:03 AM
Look at it this way; anything is possible until the Riverhead Town Board decides what it is going to do with that property, if it ever does! O:)


been decided about a month ago---golfcourses and condo proposal was approved by Town board 4-1.


here ya go:

http://www2.timesreview.com/NR/index/283763480210012.php

tgse
07-19-2005, 10:05 AM
Yeah, also a small article in business section of today's Newsday. As far as Trump proposal, ISC rejected idea after realizing getting the volume of people onto and off of Long Island associated with Cup racing would make it a disaster. First race might have worked, with off Islanders maybe not knowing how bad it was, but after that first time experience, likelihood of repeat customers would be reduced greatly, and there just aren't that many fans on L.I. to support a 100,000+ facility. Build a few more bridges (or tunnels), with adequate highways, and maybe that would have happened. But the mentality, if you can even admit that politicians have one, is that building roads is out, all money goes to mass transit. I don't picture a mass of fans arriving at any racing facility by train. I know Fontana in Ca. is served by rail, but only about 10,000 people use that means to get there, if that many.


disagree Walter--do you realize that every friday night between memorial day -labor day 45,000 cars cross pass the shinnecock bridge on sunrise hwy heading to the hamptons----45,000 cars that is in the very least 90,000 people and thats sunrise highway-2 lane sunrise highway--this is documented via traffic counts done by the the traffic engineering firm working on the yaphank project

tgse
07-19-2005, 01:42 PM
That was my point. You can't add more cars to the already crowded by the tourist and Summer residents that use these already inadequate roads. 45,000 cars use the same access roads that Nascar fans do to get on Long Island. Mid-town Tunnel, Whitestone Bridge, Triboro Bridge, Throgs Neck Bridge, Verrazano Bridge, and the free East River Bridges, all leading to a few 3 lane ( L.I.E, SS Pkwy, NS Pkwy) roads that get you to the same destination: Suffolk County.
Now, Yaphank better than Calverton? Yes, because it's one exit closer, and easily accessed by Sunrise and L.I.E. Will it work? Ah, there's the big question. With proper access roads, probably, yes.

exit directly off LIE service road with 4 stacking lanes in and 4 out of facility---LIE entrance for spectators of the facility only--entrance on Horseblock road for competitors and support vehicles only-----sound about right?

Mike Fields
07-19-2005, 02:51 PM
WJ, you forgot that any car, no matter how many passengers, can use the HOV lane on weekends. That makes it four lanes.

Tower Man
07-19-2005, 08:30 PM
I have been to dozens of tracks from Maine to Florida. Here is a sampling of the roads to these facilities.

NHIS - Louden, NH
One road in, with one lane, which they open the shoulder and make it 2 lanes.

Beech Ridge Motor Speedway - Scarborough, Me
One lane in and one out

Most of us know Thompson, Stafford, Waterford, Riverhead and Wall.

Pocono - Pa,
Exit 43 off route 80...one lane in.

Martinsville, Va
Route 220, 2 lanes

Bristol, Tn.
2 lanes from Route 19E

The same with Lowes

Daytona, Fl
2 lanes off I-95 and 2lanes on International Speedway Blvd.

Now 3 Lanes on the LIE plus a 2 lane service road is looking pretty darn good.

DAN D.
07-19-2005, 09:37 PM
I remember about 3 years ago when Grumman came up, the thing that NASCAR said was take 43 teams, with a minimum of 50 53' tractor trailers and then the fans and put them on the LIE and it's a no brainer, like it was said before, add that to Hampton traffic and voila.. a one time race fan visiting Long Island. It would probably take 4 hours to get from Grumman to the Throgs Neck. So that's when they considered and talked about Staten Island, which to me actually does not even make NON-SENSE.. anyhow,I Wish it would and could happen, but for now, I will go with the hopes of Yaphank.

SuperShafts
07-19-2005, 10:34 PM
WJ, you forgot that any car, no matter how many passengers, can use the HOV lane on weekends. That makes it four lanes.
Lol like it was said above, you can use the HOV lane everyday, except between 6am and 10am and then again from 3pm to 7pm or 8pm, I believe, but during the hours of 10am to 3pm and 8pm to 6am and weekends, anyone can use it and if you mental patients AREN'T passing the people in the left lane and middle lane GETTHE F OUT of it.

IF, if, IF people ever grasp the concept of driving and follow the damned rules of the road, we won't have traffic, if if people ever keep there damned attention on wtf is going on in front of them, and not in the opposite side of traffic, we won't have traffic, if, when NassAu Ccounty stops shutting down the entire LIE for minor accidents.....ah, now I'm asking for toO much.

SuperShafts
07-19-2005, 10:38 PM
I remember about 3 years ago when grumman came up the thing that NASCAR said was take 43 teams with a minimum of 50 53' tractor trailers and then the fans and put them on the LIE and it's a no brainer ,like it was said before add that to hampton traffic and wahla.. a one time race fan visiting Long Island.it would probbably take 4 hours to get from Grumman to the Throgs Neck. so thats when they considered and talked about Staten Island, which to me makes actually does not even make NON SENSE.. anyhow Wish it would and could happen but for now I will go with the hopes of Yaphank.


That's funny, when the US Open was going on, I don't remember a damned thing being held up after exit 58 or so when people kinda start to learn how to merge again, and when that golf thing was going on, I don't remember sitting on the L.I.E. BECAUSE there was toO many added cars. Man, you guy's have more excuses to give people ideas not to do it thAn to do it......simple answer to all these so called problems learn to drive and use the damned gas pedal and steering wheel, rather than always gotta touch the brakes.

tgse
07-20-2005, 07:11 AM
Just one interesting fact-now I am taking into consideration that of course LI does not have the amount of NASCAR fans as some of the southern states, but take a look at this fact.

The highest population within a 50 mile radius of the the biggest NASCAR tracks in the country is 275,000 people----we have over 1.3 million people in Suffolk County alone!!! 50 mile radius over 10 million people!!!

What this shows is, if we had the fan base or this multi-use facility could generate the fan base, and with lack of family entertainment on LI, I have zero doubt that it could, we would not even have to bring in a car out of Nassau County to support the facility and fill every seat at an event.

Besides, with all this facility will have to offer to you, do you really think we would starve without a "Cup race"? Of course not-in fact the revenue projections/assumptions do not include any Cup races, Busch races or truck races-they would be nice, but not necessary to run a very-very successful facility on LI.

Charlie's Angel
07-20-2005, 09:35 AM
Ok so I'm going to post on this subject finally. My thought is this: If we have a Yankee Stadium and Shea Stadium and then went ahead and added the LI Duck stadium and there is no traffic problems with them. I believe there are millions of baseball fans out there. Why would building a race track be any different?

I'm on the side of building it. (If you didn't notice) I don't live in Brookhaven or Staten Island. I live behind the Duck's Stadium. At the same time they built the Duck's Stadium they also built a federal courthouse and a county court house. So we now have baseball fans, lawyers, judges,security, criminals, regular people going to court etc. I haven't noticed any traffic problems. Same roads to get to it as well. The LIE, Rt 27 and SSP.

Just a thought don't all everyone yell at once. :lol:

tgse
07-20-2005, 01:19 PM
hamptons traffic is from last weekend in May til 1st week of sept-after that it ceases to exist

NASCAR schedule is what Feb-Nov----lots of room in there

tgse
07-20-2005, 02:22 PM
Are you sure you live around this area? Feb to Nov.??? Who in their right minds is going to sit outside at any event on LI in Feb or Nov? You guys may or may not realize it, but you're in the same 'weather window' as the HAmptons, and every other good weather activity on LI. Or maybe you've expanded your plan and are going to build an indoor track??? (sorry, no 'smilie' available for screwball!) Credibility here is sinking faster than the Titanic.


feb to nov---you do not think the weather is nice enough in early May or sept-or even oct----it certainly is as a matter of fact its a heck of alot nicer than the 1000000% humidity 90 degree days we are having lately-I for one would not want to sit in the stands shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people watching a race in this weather-would you? give me the cool dry days of spring and fall anyday

debbie33
07-20-2005, 02:28 PM
I travel out to the Hamptons year round do the business I am in and the traffic to and from there is now April to November. Not just the summer months anymore. I go all the way to Montauk frequently and the traffic is getting worse and worse every month.

Golf Guy
07-20-2005, 04:58 PM
Walt I can agree with a lot of what you have written except for the US Open crowd being the same as the Hamptons crowd. They had over 40,000 people a day for Thursday- Sunday and approx. 20,000 for the Wed/Thurs practice rounds. Many of these folks were brought in by train to the 'old' South Hampton train station. It was run very smoothly, a slight wait at security check in. They had a similar bus/train system in place for the US Open at Bethpage, and a very good transportation/parking system in place for the senior tournament at Eisenhower Park (where they only have approx. 10 - 15,000 attend). I do not think we are talking about the same number of fans on a weekly basis? But for a large scale event parking/transportation should be able to be worked out.

DAN D.
07-20-2005, 05:47 PM
I agree Debbie, I agree tgse, I agree golf guy,I agree w johnson, I agree charlies angel,I agree SuperShafts, I agree, I agree tower man, I agree mike fields, I agree RGee, I agree Mortgage Guy.... LOL :lol: :lol: :p :) :D :rolleyes: :wave: :applause: :eek: :drool: ;) :-B :*-( :disgusted :mad: :) :-| :(

The Bullfather
07-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Dan D is a kiss a$$ hahahahaha j/k :lol: :lol:

pitbull113
07-20-2005, 09:45 PM
You want traffic, just wait until the Shinnecock win their legal battle and build the casino. Let's add that to the mix.

tgse
07-21-2005, 07:06 AM
To clarify for Golf Guy: I meant a lot of the attendees were people who were already staying in the Hamptons. I think the way that was handled, using rail and bus was a great idea. With a race facility like this, some fans may well come by bus or rail, if it's provided. Many will trickle in for a weekend event in their RV's, and cars, setting up thier tents and campsites. Then comes Sunday, after the even is over, and they all want to leave at the same time! ;)
Note to Tower Man: Service roads on the LIE do not go to exit 67, so they don't count as extra lanes! :rolleyes:
Note to sychophant Danielson: :lol:


service road extends past exit 66-proposed entrance will be off 66 service road-not 67

tgse
07-21-2005, 10:13 AM
Funny thing here is, the poll indicates overwhelming support for this, so what are we arguing about? (there ya go---exactly!!!!)

you do not know the 1/2 of it my friend-in regards to how much support has been accumulating for this proposal--support of epic proportions

Rich Mergl
07-21-2005, 02:30 PM
As of right now, what is going on with the proposal? Give us the Latest.

allhailunc
07-22-2005, 06:03 AM
MR Dombal-I'm mighty disappointed in you.whats a matter you you don't agree with me :p

tgse
07-22-2005, 08:20 AM
As of right now, what is going on with the proposal? Give us the Latest.

Sure, here is current status---The Legislator for the Yaphank area –Peter O’Leary floated a resolution to form a committee comprised of a couple of local area residents as well as designees from the County Execs office and the county legislature. The goal of this committee was to take a look at what project proposals would come forth to utilize the county property in question, and to form an opinion on what type of project they feel would benefit the county and taxpayers the most. This committee is called the Yaphank County Center Review Committee. Its findings will be taken into consideration by the County Exec when he calls for the drafting of an RFP (request for proposals)---which is slated to be done by Dec 31. The committee has been approved on June 17th-has already had its first organizational meeting and according to O’Leary’s office, they will be setting up public meetings for late August to early September to start to take a look at proposals.
The committee will last until December, when it will expire, and give a report to the County Execs office. At that point, the head of the planning department of Suffolk County will be instructed to draft the RFP. It will last approx 45-90 days in which time all proposals will come into the county for the property. After the 90 days, the county attorney and planning dept. will review all proposals and decide what is the most beneficial and qualified proposal for the county property. The length of this process will depend on the amount of proposals that come forth. What makes for the best proposal? ---most beneficial to the county coffers, best for taxpayers, public need for potential project, etc. What helps a proposal gain government approval the most? OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT FROM REGISTERED VOTERS PERIOD!!! That’s where you guys come in to play. SUPPORT!!! So write, call and email Peter O’Leary-Steve Levy, the Yaphank area business people, and civic associations, your local legislator’s office, etc. Spread the word everywhere---This will, without a shadow of a doubt, be the last opportunity to have a large scale sports and entertainment facility with racing venues on LI—This is it people-Please help us make it happen!!!

tgse
07-22-2005, 05:27 PM
Why not let us in on the 1/2 of it, my friend? I'm sure everyone would love to hear all about it. :) As stated in the other post on this issue, you've got my support.


well over 10,000 petition signatures on the company website-thats without any real marketing of the site just from word of mouth on a few discussion boards

rocket
07-22-2005, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the info TGSE. I think * of people need to get * head out of the sand and ask where will they be racing in five years? It's better to be in the parade thAn waving from the curb. Step one; register to vote.

SuperShafts
07-22-2005, 08:26 PM
most beneficial to the county coffers, best for taxpayers, public need for potential project, etc. What helps a proposal gain government approval the most? OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT FROM REGISTERED VOTERS PERIOD!!!

Now do you guy's understand whats going on here.......the i believe it when i see it will have you traveling to other tracks.....hope it doesn't because you didn't support it......

Lebanon valley isn't that close as some of the racers know, but then i don't think there are many dirt guys here, the other little short tracks up there aren't close, us road racers already know how far lime rock and the glen are (i haven't tried the e-town course), us drag racers know how far e-town, lebanon, atco and island are, some of you riverhead guy's don't know.....YET.
For the fans who only go to riverhead....well if you got that i'll believe it when i see it attitude get ready for some 3 hour and longer trips with the kids or you can stay home with NOTHING....nothing but memories, maybe i can put up some pictures of memories.
Maybe seeing what's not there anymore will help.

E-town is quietly for sale.

SuperShafts
07-22-2005, 08:46 PM
Just in case you missed it earlier

OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT FROM REGISTERED VOTERS PERIOD!!!

allhailunc
07-23-2005, 02:54 AM
Sounds to me like "someone" knows something about the present racing situation(Riverhead) that we don't :confused:

DAN D.
07-24-2005, 01:49 AM
I agree with you also. It's just that you had not posted anything prior to my post on this thread. That's why I did not agree with you, because there was nothing posted to agree with you on or not? OK?
Back to the subject: TGSE the final word so to say is it decided by? ..
the county attorney and planning dept. and that "Planning Dept." has a chief? or president? who is that? do you know? :confused: Also, who would be the county attorney?

tgse
07-24-2005, 09:38 AM
I agree with you also. It's just that you had not posted anything prior to my post on this thread. That's why I did not agree with you, because there was nothing posted to agree with you on or not? OK?
Back to the subject: TGSE the final word so to say is it decided by? .. and that "Planning Dept." has a chief? or president? who is that? do you know? :confused: Also, who would be the county attorney?

Suffolk County Head of Planning- Tom Aisles

Suffolk County Attorney- Kevin Law

Planning drafts the RFP at the request of the County Exec Steve Levy---The county attorney reviews the proposals when they come in to verify-funding qualifications etc.

The Final word is decided by your 18 county Legisaltors and then your county exec.

The majority leader of the legislature is Peter O'leary who happens to be the legisaltor for the Yaphank and surrounding area where the project resides---so he is crucial

The presiding officer of the county legislature is Joe Caracappa

go to below address look up your legislator for your area and start writing calling and e-mailing---as well call your county exec Steve Levy-remember people you voted them in---they represent you and your needs

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/legis/

allhailunc
07-25-2005, 05:37 AM
I have made a number of calls to a number of Suffolk county people (including Mr Levy), along with writing and e mailing in reference to this subject, and as of this time, I've received a total of "zero" responses to my inquiries. Why is this? Maybe I'm on a "do not answer" blacklist, but I find it kind of "funny" that no one wants to respond to genuine inquiries that I have. At least TGSE & Supershaft's are giving us "some" information, but that is only from one side. Maybe Mr Levy's office is "beseiged" by requests for information & offers of support for this project, so if any of my fellow posters have received answers, let me know. :confused:

tgse
07-25-2005, 07:19 AM
I have made a number of calls to a number of Suffolk county people (including Mr Levy), along with writing and e mailing in reference to this subject, and as of this time I've received a total of "zero" responses to my inquiries. Why is this? Maybe I'm on a "do not answer" blacklis,t but I find it kind of "funny" that no one wants to respond to genuine inquiries that I have. At least TGSE & Supershaft's are giving us "some" information, but that is only from one side. Maybe Mr Levy's office is "beseiged" by requests for information & offers of support for this project, so if any of my fellow posters have received answers, let me know. :confused:



That's great allhail, perfect!!!! Keep doing exactly what you are doing-you most likely will not get any "official" responses from government yet, until the RFP floated and after November----reason being they are all, with the exception of Levy, up for re-election in November and won't publically support or go against any proposal until after November in fear of losing potential votes either way-----but you can let them know very clearly that you are a voter in November and in a sense, force their hand-----"I need an answer to your stance on a sports and entertainment facility in Yaphank, so I can decide whether or not to vote for you"----that's powerful.

SuperShafts
07-25-2005, 07:31 AM
Allhail, I haven't gotten a call back or an e-mail, other than the automated kind, lol. Somedays, it's more and some it's less, but as tgse said, call them and just make sure they understand you are very much interested in having aN SCSE park and you are a registered voter, and let them know, "I am watching what YOU do here sir/madam".

Rich Mergl
07-25-2005, 01:10 PM
Was away at Pocono Fri thru Today ( MON.) . Thanks for your response, I live in Yaphank and I think I want this track as much as you. Just have to keep coaching us, as to what we should do to help.

tgse
07-25-2005, 02:09 PM
Was away at Pocono Fri thru Today ( MON.) . Thanks for your response, I live in Yaphank and I think I want this track as much as you. Just have to keep coaching us, as to what we should do to help.


your welcome Rich-- do exactly what Allhail is doing----write, call and e-mail Levy and your local legislator-in your case it would be Peter O'leary who is crucial to this venture----- heavy suppport of local Yaphank "VOTERS" will help get this through

you can also talk to your friends and neighbors as well as business owners in your area and spread the good word about the proposal-that would be a tremendous help to the cause

Tower Man
07-25-2005, 04:14 PM
tgse, you must be an insider. You have many of the facts and they appear to be correct. Can't understand why some folks with limited "hearsay knowledge" want to argue with you over this subject.

People need to do their homework and not just listen to their friends and relatives. They need to get the FACTS before posting.

DAN D.
07-27-2005, 01:01 AM
TGSE is a great asset for the info that we all are interested in.. and that being A NEW TRACK ON LONG ISLAND! I wonder what TGSE stands for ? maybe TOP GUNN SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT? I am glad that we use real names here on the Jam and it is a priviledge to have TGSE communicate with us. Here is a little info, which was already put on the Jam, but it gives another heads up of some names and of who is who in this possibility of a new track here on Long Island.

New Track Info From June 2005 (http://www.knowledgeplex.org/news/96514.html)

also here is aN excerpt from the story which I found Interesting ..
One of them, according to business records, is Peter Scalise, the group's chief executive, who as president of Northeast Motorsports led an unsuccessful proposal two years ago to build a similar complex in Calverton.
so is Ed Dumas worth talking with? He is supposeD to be a spokesman? for Levy?
Seriously, Thanks again, TGSE, for all input and Efforts.

So now I know why TGSE posted this earlier in this thread ..
a large track at Grumman is not even the most remote of a possiblity-should not be a choice

p.s. I would think that a (.) (period) is easier and less stressful, than typing (EOS) End Of Sentence to note there is a end to a sentence? Supershaft is that you that is correcting your own posts? I am sorry I just came back to edit this post again because I see that WJ edited your post to make it readable, LOL, I actually could have edited this by deleteing the question I asked to begin with about the (.) period and what not? LOL< take a chill pill guys or who ever just shedding some light on the editing.. Thanks WJ for your dedicated and committed service to the Jam for all these years .(seriously) ok back to the subject NEW TRACK!!

SuperShafts
07-27-2005, 06:54 AM
That article was funny the 1st time, even funnier the 2nd time(E.O.S.). (I) i am glad that is in print though so they can't deny it, especially the part about how clueless the county execs are, besides for the fact that affordable housing turns into a ghetto in just a few years(E.O.S.). (YOU)you gotta wonder if they have ever been there and even know of everything that is over there, jail, landfill, parole board, fire training, police bomb squad and training, Gruccis, LI compost, who would want to live there anyway(E.O.S.)? (I'M?) im sure everyone would want to live there and worry about there (THEIR?) kids and all that wonderful stuff in the neighborhood (E.O.S.).

E.O.S.=END OF SENTENCE!