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I was just going over the rules for Wall and found a reference to having a safety hub or a reinforced right front wheel. Could anyone tell me more about what that is? If you have such a thing on your car, I'd like to check it out at the next race at Grandview. I sure don't want to drive over there just to be sent home without getting to race.:*-(
I use a Bassett racing wheel. That makes it legal. They are in the area of $50 at a speed shop.
that's a simple fix...talk to Joe, Rick, or John Saccomandi either on thr forum or at the next race.... Sac-man has it on his car, he races with us at Wall.
I've attached a picture which should help. The race before last at Grandview John Sacks had a left rear wheel failure that sent him into a barrel roll in turns 3 and 4. The wheel stress cracks around the bolt pattern leaving the lug nuts and wheel center on the car but everything just outside the bolt pattern goes bye-bye. Only the parts in red are neccessary. I did some additional welding in green just in case there was any question. Hopefully you have some 1/8" flat steel that you can grind/cut into shape to fit the curved area and weld in place.
thats a great way to re inforce wheels . i used to to do something similar. another thing i would do on my big car was use 1" lugs also. never had wheel s fail
How do the wagon wheels hold up with 1" lugs?
I used wagon wheels with 1" lugs on my personal factory stock for years and never had one fail. you can use them if you like
not for Jersey...it needs to be a safety hub...per the NJ state law!
could of used this info a while ago...my first three races I had the some issue as john in the big cars...luckly it was my R/F so i didnt go rollin any where I just came to a sudden stop...real sudden...
Stupid NJ rules... ITs ALL about the money really. ASNI, SFI, E I E I-O, etc. Its the same with drag racing.
it has nothing to do with money. an auto racing facility in jeresy (weather it be circle track or drag racing) is governed by the state police. and they are all about safety. so i dont think they are in the manufactors pocket and getting a kick back.
:) Thanks Sac-Man, I finished the first wheel yesterday and it was pretty easy for me since I had a spare wheel and didn't have to take the tire off. You don't need to take the tire off if you don't weld the area next to the bead and dont rush the center and get it too hot. I think I'll do the right rear too just to keep all four on the ground and not turn turtle.:wave:
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why are most NJ tracks on the verge of closing? a lot have already thrown in the towel.
its all based on income, cost benefit, etc. Every venue is different for their reasons, some are greed some truly were not making money...then there are the ones that are still opened, these ones have promoters/owners who push and push and push to keep their track a success and do a wonderful job keeping the stands packed and cars coming in...everyone has their gripes about certain tracks but there's drama everywhere and that is what gives them their charm.
im glad wall re opened. that is one track ive always liked. high banked short track racing is the best.
The insurance costs must be the biggest thing...
Insurance costs are high no matter where or what is racing...
But, NJ tracks should have a break in the costs, with the insurance companies knowing the stricter rules....theoretically, this is a sound arguement.
But, as usual, this sounds better on paper than it actually is in the real world.
Insurance for a single event can range from as low as $1,000 and as far upwards as $4,000... Either way, even a $1,000 bill is a large void to have to fill before the event even takes place.
Matt said it best, all NJ tracks are governed by State Law, so no matter which venue or what type of racing, you have to pass the same safety inspections based on class...
I was looking through the Wall rules again and found that they don't allow Y type shoulder belts. Does this apply to NEETS cars ? I have to get new belts any way but I don't want to make more work mounting them if I don't have to. :help:
That one I don't know...I know it is minimum 4 point harness so I will let someone else answer that one....
i do believe that the belt rule does apply to neets cars as well
I don't know for certain about the Y belts. I do know that I brought new belts with me to the first wall race and they were not Y belts. They were universal as far as roll bar mount or bolt mount. The officials helping me mount them said I could not use the bolt mount. The belts needed to wrap around the roll bar twice. I have since welded bars in locations more convenient to wrap the belts.
Poppop, nice job on the reinforced saftey hub. It looks great!
Also remember you can NOT get into the pits in New Jersy wearing shorts. You must also have shoes with closed toe.:-B
LOL...somehow I doubt anyone will be wearing shorts at the end of October, but you never know, we may have a fluke heat wave!! Although, the breeze from the shore when the sun goes down is quite chilly no matter what time of the year it is!
oh...we have to remind Joe he can't wear a skirt that day now...thanks for reminding me of that Sac-Man!
I may be wrong here, but if you use a "racing" wheel, {bassett, areo ect} it doesn't have to be reinforced, since they are reinforced--- or say purpose built wheels....... if this is true, I recommend using them on your right front always !!!!!!!!! I know I do... and if your perticular lug pattern isn't available, contact Smileys race car parts, or CK race fab and they will build you them.....
Maddawg
A racing wheel is the alternative as Maddawg stated it here...
As for Y Belts...I have not seen anything in the rules against it...although, I do recall hearing it somewhere, they are not acceptable....I will look into this one for you Poppop!
Y type shoulder belts are not legal in N.J. . Also the quick release type mounts, i,e.. using an eye bolt and hook w/safty catch.
Dr. D
:wave:Thanks for the info Dr.D I'll get individual belts.:) Is there anything special about the way they want them mounted?:confused:
You can use the metal ends that come on the lap belt part of the harness and bolt them securely into the frame on each side of your seat. You cannot use the metal ends of the shoulder belts or use any type of bolts. They want the end of the shoulder belt wrapped around the cross bar that connects between your roll bar hoop and use the provided adjusters to secure the ends. Hopefully your cross bar is at the right height so the angle of the belts is close to your shoulder height. It would also depend on which type of seat you are using, the stock seat or racing seat with belt cut-outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poppop
If you are using the stock seat, the height of the cross bar is critical to make sure your shoulder belts are mounted at the right height. If this cross bar is too low, you risk spine injuries in a front crash, as the shoulder belts will pull you down into the seat during impact. Some guys have welded in an additional cross bar to get it at the correct horizontal height (I think Sac Man above did this). Your new belts should have come with a diagram showing the proper angle of the shoulder belt attachment. If I remember correctly, the shoulder belt height/angle should be 10 degrees above your shoulder height when sitting in your seat.
In holding with the long standing racing safety rules and the financing thereof in the state of N. J. a toll booth will be installed at all start/finish lines to defray the cost of technical inspections...................:eek:
The N. J. vehicle inspection centers are lobbying to not only test racecars for solid pollutants and emissions but to charge all drivers for air pulled into the carburetors by the cubic feet per minute.....................:help:
Stay tuned for further updates concerning the state with the fewest amount of race tracks in the free world.......................:rolleyes:
UNCLE PETEY.................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
You are correct, racing wheels are what is recommended and encouraged. But it is hard to find them with enough backspace for front wheel drive cars. It is also more cost effective to reinforce the OEM wheel than to buy a relatively more expensive racing rim which could easily get bent and ruined in an enduro. No arguements on the cost of safety please. I also realize that with car counts currently (for the small cars) it is unlikely you will bend your new race rim.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Maddawg
Use those small backspaced wheels and cut out those wheelwells and make that 4cyl. enduro W I D E R, hehe.................:help:
UNCLE PETEY.....................:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Thought the rules said "Stock type rims only" no racing wheels.:confused:
The rules state "aftermarket wheels permitted so long as stock offsets are maintained"..........................:rolleyes:
UNCLE PETEY...............:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Rules, rules, rules.....
Why have rules that say one thing and not second guess them later? LOL!!!
NJ 'Safety Rules' trump our technical rules any day of the week....if our rules specifically state no racing wheels and NJ bylaws state only racing wheels....everyone would HAVE to run racing wheels. Period.
As Petey said here....aftermarket wheels are permitted so long as the stock offsets are maintained. The safety hub is required regardless of what you decide to use.....the benefit of using racing wheels is that they are already reinforced. Therefore, you won't have to reinforce an aftermarket wheel.