To Move Cars or Not to Move Cars...

[NJ Chick]

That seems to be the question. Here is a thread that is on Big Diamond's forum board, you have to weed through some of it, but the main discussion is about removing dead cars from the track. There are 3 pages of posts so far. I thought I would bring it over to our forum for further evaluation as we'll be back at Grandview in October. What are your thoughts on this subject as a NEETS driver or fan? Please no bashing of anyone, just opinions/thoughts.

http://greenflag314.proboards28.com/...ay&thread=1108

[Erin C]

I am borderline on this subject...

1. This is an enduro, true enduros left cars on the track and even threw in some obstacles...it is an endurance race and should be raced as such. It is an accomplishment to say you won a race dodging cars left and right for 100 laps!! That is TRUE talent!

2. Economy is bad, parts/cars are getting expensive...if you wreck and stay on the track, chances are your car will get hit and you may not be in the financial position to have it ready for the next race

3. As a fan...it is SOOOO exciting watching the good, the bad, and the ugly (that's the soap opera name for dodging cars on the track!!)

I hate to see people struggle to get their cars back together, but you kind of have to expect the unexpected with a true enduro race...

[CJfilms]

To move or not to move...

If not to move...then you know the deal.

If to move...then let's block off the pits...now you HAVE to endure with what you have...

[Sac-Man]

How I see it. Unfortunately the Flemington days are over. The cars today are not built as durable. Unibodies are designed to fold up. The car counts are down increasing the speeds. I will run the races either style, removing cars or not. I do recognize it is more likely that I will total my car when dead cars are left on the track. I have had a car totaled when it died on the track. I would prefer the dead cars pulled from the racing groove. I don’t like yellow or caution flags. Grandview needs better signaling for red flags. I could only get to 35 MPH with the track- (Grandview) soaking wet. The wall at Grandview is really hard too. I want to run at Big Diamond and New Egypt and now that I’ve yanked out my windshield I will. I’ve heard complaints that the cheaters win when the dead cars are pulled from the track and I’ve heard complaints that people don’t want to total a car or get hurt hitting a dead car. So the major point is I like dead cars pulled from the racing groove, which is safer, and also due to the lack of a frame and crumple zones on these newer enduro cars, a sign of the times; and I like pitting. Now that scanners are being pushed at Mountain speedway I am using one and I like it. Complainers complain and the racers will do what is needed to race. I hear you already, I know there are still older full framed enduro cars out there but they are getting harder and harder to find. If we get to the point that we have 60 plus cars in a race then I would flip back to leave every dead car on the track; because the speeds would be down due to the congestion. I’ve been there and done it. I look forward to racing you soon…

[EnduroFromDE]

My first enduro was at flemington...as a spectator that is...i think i was like 7 or 8...but i remember they put rollers in each of the four corners before the enduro's started...I dont remember much from the enduro it self but i do remember the dead cars purposely put in the turns BEFORE the race started...Of course the first enduro I remember about the race it self was at Bridgeport in the mid 90's...It had 137 cars to start...all large cars...soaked the track down before the race...it was a stop and go start lined up 4 wide, from the start/finish line, around turn 4 and around turn three and almost into the back stretch...again the cars were left on the track...but top speed for most of the race was fairly slow until the cars started droping down...i do agree with John on this one...under 50 cars to start pull the dead cars out of the main line...over 50 to start...pitting under reds only and leave the cars be...I do like the idea of wetting the track but maybe not as much as last race...Also if anyone near delaware...maybe southern PA or Southern NJ has any spare cars lying around that maybe i can burrow for a race, a 4cyl if posible, please let me know...

[Lad3der]

Plain and simple CARS STAY ON THE TRACK! case closed

[Steve Haegele]

kind of like the old rules with leaving the cars out there, but j&j has a point when it comes to tearing up the cars, it would hurt the car count, keeping the groove open is a good idea also, the jammer truck is a great idea.

[nobandwagonhere]

Im sort of on the fence with this one. (here we go!). The first time I came to a NEETS race I was amazed and my attention was caught when the red was thrown and cars were moved. Used to racing at Riverhead, where a red flag was pretty much unheard of, I thought "WOW, I may finally be able to run the same car more than one race!", versus running "disposeable cars".
BUT!!!!....It is an ENDURO.....-Endurance,..-Endure. Thats the name of the game. I think, (especially on dirt) if a car is in the racing groove, maybe move it. If a car is dead and theres room around it, leave it. This should maybe minimize flags and set the pace for some good hard racing.
JMO, but the whole car count point that was made kind of makes alot of sense. They are not too easy to come by these days, and who wants to go back to gut-n-go disposeable cars. Their not too cheap these days.
Im in either way ans long as my wallet says its OK (who, by the way, seems to be the party pooper these days). I tried like hell to make the last Grandview race but came up short. Im going to make an attempt at this one in Oct. though. But dead cars on the track or off really doesnt matter to me. I just want to race.
Hope I made sense, I sell translation books online if anyone is interested...lol
See yas soon.
Donny--Boom-Boom--Kirby--Dookie The Third

[woot lawrence]

what about the truck that josh just wrecked?? how bad is it?? could that be the jammer truck??

[CJfilms]

NO WOOT, JOSHY TRADED IT IN!!!!

Thanks for getting involved Donny! We need more people to voice their opinions on this matter...it is obviously a major issue with the economy in it's current state and the cost of racing higher than ever.

WE NEED A JAMMER!!!! joe@neetsracing.com

Jammer:
Full body truck, roll bars and cage a must, proper harnesses and window nets, no glass..., push bars and rub rails, it must be 4WD since it is on dirt, ...heck, we have enough people that will drive!

The most important part is we need a way to get it to/from the track and a place for it!

JAM IT JAM IT JAM IT!!!! joe@neetsracing.com

[richardpetey]

I think we need a full-sized truck with push bumpers, maybe I can find an old wrecker............................
Gonna need a truck that will be able to push a big car off the track with no problems, I don't see a S-10 making it.........................
Thats right Eric, its an automatic DQ if you hit the Jammer, at least in the mid-west enduro rules......................
Its still all academic, until the powers that be make the big decision............
UNCLE PETEY.........................

[NJ Chick]

Bob, you silly, of course I want your opinion!All of you are very important to NEETS, you are the guys and girls who make the series what it is. It's your baby too people!Whether you've run every race with us since 2003, have run off and on over the years or if your very first race was at Grandview this past July, all of your voices are important. I'm encouraging everyone to please keep your opinions coming. Thanks to all who have posted so far and to those who still plan too.

If we do end up using a jammer truck, can we call it "Tow Jam"??