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[4speed]

Yea, driving 6+ hrs and spending that amount in fuel compared to spending a little for the NJ upgrades is pretty ridiculous.
Anyway, I received a phone call from the promoter of Wall himself today, and he told me he fully intends on having Enduro races in 2010 and fully intends to work with NEETS in developing a schedule. He did mention that the car counts do need to grow, and understands that will take time, and hopes that a big payout race would attract more cars if a sponsor was found.
It was funny too cause when I was on the phone with him I heard the other phone ring. He asked me to hold, and answered the other line by speaker phone, and I heard Joe's voice. I found it to be pretty weird that at the same time we were talking about NEETS races at Wall, NEETS calls in on the other line. I received a phone call back from Wall about 20 mins later and was told that the conversation went well. As I have said before I think Joes a great person, and we all appreciate all the hard work he puts into it. Jim is a great person as well, and he puts in allot of hard work keeping Wall alive. I can only hope that these two in charge can put together a program that will allow me and everyone else to come back to Wall in 2010 and run some hard core Enduro races. Make the races on Sundays to because I wont be able to make Saturday races as I will be committed to racing somewhere else.
So, in conclusion, everyone needs to do what they can to build the car counts. Make your changes and upgrades and lets go racing. Hey, NES has 4 Enduros on schedule and they do not conflict with Grandviews. NJ tracks want Enduros, and its up to us to bring the show.

[CJfilms]

In a perfect world, there would be no questions about upgraded safety items...no dollar figure too high, no safety measure too strict.

In actuality, this division of racing is supposed to be cheap and affordable. $1,000 of safety equipment is a line (if not already past the line) for how much people want to spend on safety alone. Hence, the old argument, CHEAP DOES NOT EQUAL SAFE.

In a perfect world, we would offer $1,000 to win minimum...

In actuality....we kind of already do! In 2005/2006, NEETS offered $1,000 to win with 100 cars on the track. Since the economy tanked, Erin and I have tweaked the purse to make up for things... Nowadays, around 80 cars pays $1,000 to win the race... The purse jumps drastically between 30-45 cars by a few hundred bucks for the 1st place car...then it teeters down to increase at about $100 per 10 cars increments. So, in actuality, we will pay $1,000 if the car counts are there...we paid out $1,400 to the winners at the MUTHA....why wouldn't we do it again?

In a perfect world, all the enduros at every track would be the same...

In actuality, each venue has their own intentions with the enduro divisions. When NEETS ran at Mountain Speedway in 2005, a regular weekly division was created out of interest...a 4 cylinder factory stock class. The class showed a consistent 15-20 cars each weekend...low and behold, those 15-20 weekly regulars also became the enduro top runners. The vice is when the speedway double dips. Once you have a division that is either composed of enduros or is generally populated by the enduros, the promoters want/expect those drivers to show up for BOTH, weekly races and the enduros...this is the double dip. The next step is to bump up the weekly division, or the enduro, rules to mimic other weekly divisions...for example, turn an enduro into a weekly factory stock...next into a low budget street stock. Make the enduro/factory stock class run on track tires/fuel/etc., raising the costs just enough to make the dedicated drivers become DEDICATED to this division.... Once the enduro car, now a full-blown factory stock on track tires... Now the driver becomes limited to racing ONLY at this one venue since each track has their own set of rules and brand of tires, typically...but not always.

In MY perfect world, we would run all the enduros under a set of nationally accepted rules...hence, any driver from anywhere can race any track. This would hold true through ALL entry level divisions...FWDs, Factory Stocks, Road Runners, etc... This way, IF someone bumps up to an advanced level, they still have the option to travel and explore...giving them the required seat time to be a better driver, exposing the driver to new venues and ideas, and most importantly, increasing car counts all over!

....So, do NJ safety laws 'scare' drivers away from racing at Wall/IN NJ? I would have to say no. The cost of upgrading something a driver has been using for the past 5 years without failure is a bit of a deterrent, but as it has been said...can you put a price on YOUR safety? Sadly enough, many people can....hence, low-budget racing.

[art11758]

I haven't enduroed in over twenty years. Back then, big car counts were a given. All someone had to do was basically open the gate and the event almost took care of itself. The other things that took care of themselves were the cars. They were 3800 pound tanks that weren't very fast. Fast forward to now. Suitable car supply is short. I live in an "active" recycling area. Three shedders with in an hours drive. "junk" cars are worth $200 or more if you can find them. My job cut back to four day weeks last year and things aren't any better this year. I still have my old belts, battery boxes, dot helmet and my welder. I'm reasonably sure I am not alone.
Rocknroll,
The Riverhead "gut and go" rules seem a little light don't they? I believe that they are the reason for the continued sucess of the enduros at Riverhead. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just stating a point. Make the barrier between sitting on one side of the fence or the other low enough to cross. Speed is addictive. (been an addict for 52 yrs )
In closing, those who wanna go faster will figure out a way. Or sit still like I have. Safety does not cost, it saves. Just for some it is a hard sell.

[Poppop]

Art, I got back over the fence at Grandview mid season last year after watching for fifteen years. Come join us when you can. I took a $20,000 pay cut last year but thank goodness my mortgage is paid off so I could go racing with NEETS.
Poppop

[CJfilms]

I haven't enduroed in over twenty years. Those who wanna go faster will figure out a way. Or sit still like I have. Safety does not cost, it saves. Just for some it is a hard sell.

Art...two things...

One, You could not have said that better...those who want to go fast will find a way. Sadly enough, there isn't a way to create enough rules to slow Petey down! LOL!!! As for the safety...again, stated perfectly.

Secondly, 20 years? It's time to come on out and play again!

[VARacer22]

Wall just posted their schedule on the Wall board and there are 3 enduros scheduled all on Saturdays: May 1st, August 21st & September 25th Are these enduros being run by NEETS or by Jim Morton?

[Erin C]

To my knowledge, they are not our dates...Joe never told me dates were approved for Wall and as far as I know Joe and Jim are supposed to get together at the Motorsports show. I know they did talk last week but nothing was approved....especially being Saturdays because we are very set on not running any Saturday shows because of many many conflicts.

[Poppop]

Dam! I might have to defect: I got a touch of that blacktop fever.