Thanks for the "treat" kenny rodgers

[CAPTAIN]

What happened to less water in the turns kenny??? What hapened to we will talk about it in the drivers meeting kenny??? Instead of talking about it, you stormed away from the meeting like a little girl. "shake, shake, shake, your head, your still getting the water" . I believe those were your last words to us. All that the drivers wanted was less water so we can race, instead we got a ton more water, and a pleasant " just take it easy for the first 15 laps. We did not pay for a 85 lap race. Do the modifieds race in those conditions??? How come the speedsters did not get the same condition, Well mister rodgers, the track did not come around until about lap 35. Thats about 20 laps longer then your 15 lap estimate, so we got a we a 65 lap race. We all support your track, at least you can listen to us drivers and support us, and give us what we want to race on, not ram it through our pants. I believe you did it on purpose just to prove a point that you do not want to be told what to do. All i got out of today was a totaled car that wasn't even mine. I like running at your track kenny, but you really screwed us all today. You can ban me if you want, i really do not care, i will be returning, but hopefully you will listen to us, AND THIS NONSENSE WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Congrads to the winner, and all that placed. Captain in the 911

[Danger83Ranger]

wo wo wo, a little harsh there. but i have to admit, the title made me laugh.

your right, it was a cold day and the sun was in and out so the track did not dry up as planned. I got pushed high in turns 3-4 a few times and one time i had 100% no control over my truck and i slid sideways straight into the treacherous turn 4 wall. this was around lap 40-50? wow was it a hit, the truck survived, but it rattled the heck out of me. after that, my truck sputtered on and off the rest of the race. sometimes it would drop down to 35 mph at full throttle. are the drivers in danger in those conditions should be the question.

but all in all, im not upset, it was fun and I will be back.

[mcstockcar]

I think it made things interesting out there as usaual, It a good test of driver skill. It sure tested what little bit of time I have on dirt. I did spin out in the mud but learned to keep out of trouble. (when all else fails- dump your car in the infield instead of getting blasted!)
A few people have to have more patience out there until the track begins to "hook up". Take it easy....the race dont need to be won in the first 10 laps...nor do it pay anymore for leading the race right away. The ones who hang back and wait (as I) for the track to work can benefit from it. As that being said; the ones who go ape $h*! and try going as fast as they can end up taking out other cars around them. Thats what pi$$e$ me off. I dont look forward to fixing my car every week because of someones need to blast down the track sliding into everyone in the first 10-15 laps. Take it easy... were here to have fun. Its an enduro race.... if it were asphalt theyd wet that down too. Thanks to everyone today who showed up today. I had a great 1st race out. I saw some great racing out there, and some FAST cars! I got no beef with Kenny...Were in his sandbox playin!

[Danger83Ranger]

I agree Jack, in the small cars there were plenty of inpatient drivers. and this was over the halfway point! i understand im underpowered and slow out there, but cutting me off and slamming into my rear, was that really necessary people? i was so close to losing my temper a few times

[CAPTAIN]

Who was racing at lap 10??? No one was!!!

[jag]

Very well said Capt. You could tell it was all for spite. Also 30 laps of patience is alittle long.

[dirtmodfan]

I have no idea what happened at the meeting (I was late), but there was a ton of water on the track. I had to use a tearoff before we even took the green. Can we please cut back a little bit? I understand that you are trying to keep the dust down, but a lot of cars end up getting destroyed/wrecked because of the we track.

Let's face it. We all want to race. If the track was made of ice we would still try to go fast. A little less water would make for better, safer racing conditions in both classes. I did not see the speedsters slipping and sliding around.

All-in-all I had a lot of fun today. The flat tire was a disappointment because of someone driving over his head (you know who you are....that's two times now).

Good luck to everyone next week at Big D. See you then or on the 6th on the Hill.

[rk1714]

I feel the same Captain!!!!! Even in the 4 Cyl. (race)I could not even toucch the gas at all until the 60th lap or more!! Why !!! This is not what I want . My car I know is better than what it showed today . Who is the PROMOTOR of this race ?????????? I shook my head at the drivers meeting and Mr. Rodgers said shake your head I`m gonna put water on the track , AND RAN AWAY !

[Poppop]

I'm with you 100 percent Big Daddy.

[CJfilms]

Good morning!

Ok, I'm going to try to hit all topics covered here in this reply...it may be a little lengthy...

Starting at the bottom and working my way up:

Big Daddy: Patience is a virtue, right you are....as well as Kenny may not take the abuse online and eventually pull the plug...so, everyone needs to calm down and help us work things out.

Gutter: I almost want to say that I like your idea to stage a sit-out until the track dries....however, we all know about 20 or so cars will pull in to the infield and the rest will go racing. Once the guys in the infield realize we aren't stopping the race since half the cars out there are racing, they'll either start late and end up REALLY ticked off at the end of the day or demand their money back.

Poppop: Good idea, less water around the high side may prevent the wall from being hit so much...

RK1714: Wet track for open wheeled cars weighing practically nothing (in comparison to even a Small Car) will result in nothing but a slide fest, they won't event get traction to start moving and IF they do get moving, they will just spin, spin, spin... As for dust....I saw it too, they were throwing a great deal of dust out into the stands and pits by the end of their feature....

***Saturday night enduro***
The idea to run a Saturday night enduro came from Kenny at the beginning of this season, where he told me he would really like to see what our guys can do on a well-prepped track. My question was, why isn't the track well-prepped for ALL of our races? It has still not been addressed, also, the Saturday night idea was washed out a while back....

Philter: I'm glad you had a blast out there! I know of a good number of drivers who enjoy racing under any circumstances...thank you for being understanding, but see what I have to say to the Captain next....

Shon: Call me tonight and I will fill you in on the details...

Danger: You are right about impatient drivers. You admit to having a slower vehicle, you hold your position....if they have the faster car and they want to get around you...they need to get AROUND you....not through you. This is a whole separate issue that needs to be addressed.....remember everyone, we are out there to have fun. If racing is all about the money and the rewards...you are racing for the wrong reasons!

Jag: 30 laps of patience is a lot....

And finally, Captain!
I'm calling you out here Captain! I hope you still have the helmet you showed me in the infield....unwashed. Please try to get a photo of that helmet and upload it on the forum....or email it to me directly.

The Captain showed me his helmet which was smeared with mud....no, caked is more like it. He ran out of tear-offs by mid-race, and as Shon even said that he needed one before the green flag fell. He asked me, "Is this safe?" I can answer this honestly and tell you NO.

NEETS promotes safe and affordable racing....however, when drivers max out their tear-off supply and are out before the end of the race...something is not right. I believe that no one is tearing them off as soon as a tiny bit of mud hits your visor, however they are called tear-offs for a reason and eventually....they need to be torn-off! If drivers are losing the ability to see on the track due to something that can be corrected...it has to be corrected. We requested less water on the track and our request was denied.

I want what you want...I want what I believe Kenny wants. You want the track well-prepped and just right. Kenny wants to set it and forget it (no pun intended), so the track holds up for you for the whole race without having to stop a race to wet the track down. Not one single fan in the stands wants to be sand blasted with dirt, but they also come to see racing.

The solution needs to be that we run a drier track at the beginning of the race...one time at the very least....and work out the bugs. We've tuned up a variety of things over the years, making the show run faster and smoother...this needs to be addressed ASAP.

IF we have a drier surface and it does not hold up....the red flag comes out and we wet the track down with a few passes of the water truck. It will slow up the race at numerous times, instead of just once at the beginning. However, the slower racing at the beginning seems to be lasting longer and longer each race and as it was already said by Jag...30 laps of patience is a lot to ask.

I am MORE THAN WILLING to run the next event with a drier track...not VERY DRY, but not soaking wet. If Kenny will give us the opportunity to run on the track we all prefer, then we should all have no problems. If we cannot control this situation and drivers start to veer away from racing with NEETS or at Grandview...will it be too late to begin to try to work with them? If we start bleeding drivers, the cut will not heal.

I appreciate everyone for voicing their opinions here in a respectful manner....although the Captain did pick an interesting title.........just remember, WE want what you want.

[richardpetey]

Even with our government trying to destroy our constitutional rights we still have the right to express our opinions..........................
IMHO, if that track was any wetter you'd need a life raft.........................
How do you think 30 to 40 dirt modified drivers would put up with what happened to us.......................................
Somebody needs to groom that track so the moisture stays in the track for the entire feature, IT CAN BE DONE!......................
I've been racing enduros for a few years and I stay loyal to NEETS because all the other tracks and promoters never gave use any RESPECT.....................
Somebody is trying to turn what we consider enduro racing into a 1 ring circus and a wreck-fest side show..........................
I'm all for showing a little patience but but where does it end and your "pain tolerance" begin..........................
When you clean off all that "grandview" from your enduro and see all the hidden damage and go through it time after time, maybe the "RESPECT LIGHT" will finally turn on................................................
I'm a little frustrated, my car seems to be half way competitive, I'm gett'en the hang of the dirt thing again but 13 flats and torn sheet metal is all I have to show for it................................................ ........
Many unhappy enduro drivers out there..................What do we do?....................
UNCLE PETEY............................

[CAPTAIN]

I am posting under the captains name because I don't want to wait to be approved to post. I have been a race fan for 30 years and have been to many different tracks and many different race types, and I have NEVER seen anything like I did at Grandview. Asking for a race car driver to be patient is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard they are there to race not for a Sunday drive. Drivers shouldn't have to be patient for a track to come around and FANS should not have to wait 30 laps to see racing or 50 laps (as it was in the 4 cylinders) I dont want to watch a slam fest and worry that the drivers might be getting hurt. I want to watch a race from beginning to end and get what I paid for. This is a DIRT track fans are going to get dirty. I"ve left dirt tracks (Grandview on a Sat. being one of them) with not a clean spot on my face! This includes dirt up my nose and in my ears. That is a part of dirt track racing.
Here is an idea and as a fan I would perfer....wet the track down some in the beginning and make a mandatory caution half way to wet it down. I would much rather this then to see 2 or 3 red flags early on because the cars can't get into the pits!
Big Diamond has no problems with their enduro with the wetting of the track or drivers having to be "patient" so it can be done! Kenny give their water guy a call and ask him how he does it. Nothing wrong with asking for help to make it right and safe, so no one gets seriously hurt because of this issue. Racing is dangerous enough no need to make it worse.
Christine Detweiler

[rpkulik]

Kenny has a tough job, so I have been easy on him. But there was an error in the track prep yesterday. I don't think Kenny was being vindictive, regardless of his performance at the driver's meeting. Air temperature and sunshine are what should determine how much water is needed. Too much water was used yesterday because I believe that the effect of the wind was overestimated. It lasted far too long because the temps were cool and it was partly cloudy. Hopefully, Kenny will adjust his technique to according to weather conditions. I really believe he wants to do the right thing by us. We are not going to get anywhere by bashing him. What is needed is a respectful discussion so we can reach a mutually agreeable solution. I, for one, am willing to go lighter on the water and risk a red flag mid-race to re-wet the track if needed.

[AK17]

Here is an idea and as a fan I would perfer....wet the track down some in the beginning and make a mandatory caution half way to wet it down. I would much rather this then to see 2 or 3 red flags early on because the cars can't get into the pits!

Christine Detweiler[/QUOTE]

To add to what Christine is saying...why not start the race with at least half the water we do now and have a mandatory caution when things get dusty. Except use the Yellow. Joe, I know you heard this before but throwing a red makes wetting the track much more difficult when you have 40 cars scattered everywhere. Get the pace truck out there to pick-up the leader and everyone else stays in line behind him and then we all follow the water truck around for three laps or so. This would also give drivers an oppurtunity to pit. You also have a radio (when working) to keep everyone in line if there is any confusion. This should not take more than 15 minutes! Big Diamond uses the yellow during enduros without any problems. I think most drivers (and fans) would tolerate losing 3 or so laps in the middle of the race rather than watch 50 laps of slop like we had in the 4cyl show.

[Poppop]

Just my two cents but I think there would have been a safer track if the water was stopped short of the wall. I made the mistake of getting out of the groove somewhere around lap 30 and couldn't keep it from hitting the wall. Fortunatly I kept it straight coming off the wall and didn't involve any other cars. The same thing happened right after Dave B flipped and the groove was blocked but I wasn't going nearly as fast and still just slid into it. All in all I had a good race with little damage and that was my own fault for being impatient and not staying in the groove.