Riverhead tour race

[limodmaniac]

Should the tour race at Riverhead be 175 laps like last year or should it be 100 laps green flag laps only?

[MJProcko]

150 green flag laps only due to lack of infield pitting

200 if you count caution laps but I wouldn't count the first 3 in order to give cars a chance to get in and out.

[uticamike]

100 all green, no stops.

[JWfor8x]

I would prefer to keep the current format of 175 laps and count the cautions, but I would like 100 green flag laps too. More important for me is to keep the 25 lap last chance race. Most important for me is that Riverhead is still there, still has modifieds as their premier weekly division and still hosts a tour show.

[Teds Race Tours]

Riverhead 2012

I think the June Event Should Be 150 Green Flag Laps

I think the July Event Should be 200 Green Flag Laps.

I think The August Event should be 300 laps counting Cautions.

I haven't decided what the September event should be just yet.

[JWfor8x]

Riverhead 2012

I think the June Event Should Be 150 Green Flag Laps

I think the July Event Should be 200 Green Flag Laps.

I think The August Event should be 300 laps counting Cautions.

I haven't decided what the September event should be just yet.

Maybe on the schedule about 3 weeks before the Octoberfest 500? <G>

[MOD11RACER]

You should be asking about the purse not about how many laps they should run. Why isn't Riverhead paying a full purse instead of a purse like what the ROC or the MRS pays. Putrid. I guess we haven't learned a thing about 125 lap no stop racing this year ( 1 @ Stafford 2 @ Thompson). What they have @ Riverhead works except for the purse. Why change something that works ?

Why change the format ? Leave it alone. Jim why would you want another ROC or MRS race that rides around for 80 of 100 laps then starts to race ? Don't we have enough boring races now ? Boring, Boring, Boring.

[limodmaniac]

The number one reason I'd want 100 laps is for safety. Having guys ride around for laps waiting for pit road to open takes forever. Then they have to get in and out of the pits in about 20 seconds or else they go down a lap.

Also, to jazz it up, let guys change a tire in the pits if they want. Days of old when guys did that and tried to come thru the field. For some guys it didn't work. For others ( can you say Mike Ewanitsko) would come flying thru the field.

What I'm saying is Nascar should look at each track as being unique. What you do at Loudon does not necessarily work at Riverhead.

Just trying to keep the dialogue open with the hopes that Nascar does what's best for the modifieds.

[MJProcko]

What I'm saying is Nascar should look at each track as being unique. What you do at Loudon does not necessarily work at Riverhead.....

Exactly! And at tracks with no infield pitting they should not count cautions or not count the first 3 laps under caution. Not only to give them time to change tires and make the neccesary adjustments without going down 3 laps but just for safety reasons alone. Riverside did something like that and it worked great. plus by starting the counting after 3 laps you don't have guys taking there sweet time getting back out like during a weekly show at many tracks.

The last tour race I went to at riverhead was 200 laps and it was over pretty quick. It did have plenty of time for people to pit and come from the back as well as long green runs.

[Jaws]

You should be asking about the purse not about how many laps they should run. Why isn't Riverhead paying a full purse instead of a purse like what the ROC or the MRS pays. Putrid. I guess we haven't learned a thing about 125 lap no stop racing this year ( 1 @ Stafford 2 @ Thompson). What they have @ Riverhead works except for the purse. Why change something that works ?

Why change the format ? Leave it alone. Jim why would you want another ROC or MRS race that rides around for 80 of 100 laps then starts to race ? Don't we have enough boring races now ? Boring, Boring, Boring.

Did you notice Justin Bonsignore won over $10,000 at Riverhead (Thanks Jim)

[limodmaniac]

I know ModRacer11 knows that. He was part of the group of people who made it a big success. What he was referring to was the low paying races "flash" races - the reason the Modified fans have stepped forward... it's a shame we have to do it, but then again, no one is forcing us to - we just are trying to do what is right, and maybe at the same time keep a bullring track on the schedule.

PS - if any one knows someone who loves modifieds ( and has a lot of money) and wants to donate to the cause, please give them my name!!

[JWfor8x]

Exactly! And at tracks with no infield pitting they should not count cautions or not count the first 3 laps under caution. Not only to give them time to change tires and make the neccesary adjustments without going down 3 laps but just for safety reasons alone. Riverside did something like that and it worked great. plus by starting the counting after 3 laps you don't have guys taking there sweet time getting back out like during a weekly show at many tracks.

The last tour race I went to at riverhead was 200 laps and it was over pretty quick. It did have plenty of time for people to pit and come from the back as well as long green runs.

There was a time at Riverhead when they ran the 201 lap races that they allowed tire changes. Like Jim said in an earlier post, it worked for some and not so well for others. Later, when they did away with the tire changes, it seemed to me that they became more about tire management than flat out racing. One thing that they do at Riverhead that does help with pitting is to allow the cars to pass the pace car at the flag stand to go into the pits, giving a little more time for the pit stop. If the race was 100 laps of green flag racing, maybe the raacing would be better. There are a bunch of folks here way more knowledgable than me about that.

[Acadia]

Well said. I've said similar elsewhere numerous times already. These no-stop races that are too long for one set of tires are not good.

And at Riverhead, wearing tires out is not a concern. Tires will need to be changed because of accidents long before they wear out.

Races have to be short enough for all out racing with no concern for tire management, or long to force a tire change.

In between those lengths doesn't work.

Do something about cautions and that will be an improvement. 57% of the last Riverhead race was under caution, 11 cautions, a 175 lap event that only ran 75 laps of racing. That is a much bigger problem than format, no-stops, number of laps, counting yellow laps, when to start counting yellow laps, letting cars pass the pace car, etc., etc., etc. None of the formatting options will change the fact that carnage happens on these itty-bitty tracks. Changing the format won't halt or even reduce the carnage. No matter what format you use, there will still be carnage. And a better purse will only help repair the damages.

You should be asking about the purse not about how many laps they should run. Why isn't Riverhead paying a full purse instead of a purse like what the ROC or the MRS pays. Putrid. I guess we haven't learned a thing about 125 lap no stop racing this year ( 1 @ Stafford 2 @ Thompson). What they have @ Riverhead works except for the purse. Why change something that works ?

Why change the format ? Leave it alone. Jim why would you want another ROC or MRS race that rides around for 80 of 100 laps then starts to race ? Don't we have enough boring races now ? Boring, Boring, Boring.

[JWfor8x]

Well said. I've said similar elsewhere numerous times already. These no-stop races that are too long for one set of tires are not good.

And at Riverhead, wearing tires out is not a concern. Tires will need to be changed because of accidents long before they wear out.

Races have to be short enough for all out racing with no concern for tire management, or long to force a tire change.

In between those lengths doesn't work.

Do something about cautions and that will be an improvement. 57% of the last Riverhead race was under caution, 11 cautions, a 175 lap event that only ran 75 laps of racing. That is a much bigger problem than format, no-stops, number of laps, counting yellow laps, when to start counting yellow laps, letting cars pass the pace car, etc., etc., etc. None of the formatting options will change the fact that carnage happens on these itty-bitty tracks. Changing the format won't halt or even reduce the carnage. No matter what format you use, there will still be carnage. And a better purse will only help repair the damages.

It is not the track size that causes carnage. I have been going to Long Island tracks since the 1950's. Freeport Stadium was 1/4 mile with 2 banked turns and 2 flat turns. Islip Speedway was 1/5'th mile and Riverhead is 1/4'th. Sometimes there are many wrecks, sometimes not, just like any other track. Thompson is a 5/8 mile track. Wasn't there a lot of carnage there at the World Series? I'd suggest that there are other causes for wrecks besides the size of the track, but I won't bother.

[Mod Squad]

I know ModRacer11 knows that. He was part of the group of people who made it a big success. What he was referring to was the low paying races "flash" races - the reason the Modified fans have stepped forward... it's a shame we have to do it, but then again, no one is forcing us to - we just are trying to do what is right, and maybe at the same time keep a bullring track on the schedule.

PS - if any one knows someone who loves modifieds ( and has a lot of money) and wants to donate to the cause, please give them my name!!

While I applaud the efforts of LIModmaniac and all the others who stepped up to sponsor the race at Riverhead, I think it's a bad precedent to set.

Like any true fan in any type of racing we all know every Driver, Owner and Team Member has at one time or another puts his own time, money, and effort to race with little or no return.

While the drivers and teams are thankful for the overwhelming generosity of the fans, N@$(@& is laughing all the way to the bank. To justify for them that times are tough and they’re losing money is ridiculous. Go to Racing Reference and look at purse payouts for the big three and see what last place pays at Daytona. It’s been said before on this board and others. Daytona needs to step up and take ownership of the series the right way. Better purses and more one-day show schedules would be a start.

Paying the purse for them is NOT the way to go. It’s like giving table food to the dog, you do it once and they’ll keep expecting it every time you eat. JMHO