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Thread: Radiators...2006

  1. #16
    enduro13x

    Radiators '06

    Personally, i think that the radiator problem isnt because of no support, its driver error. ive seen more accidents caused by nobody stopping when the red is thrown than actual accidents caused during green flag conditions. i feel that if people would pay better attention to the lights, there would be less carnage and many less blown radiators, no extra supports necessary!

  2. #17
    enduro13x

    illegal cars

    i do agree with spier though and i do believe that there are illegal cars that are finishing well and not getting dq'd. i think that the people who dont have that much money shouldn't get beat up on by these people with illegal cars and something has to be done about it

  3. #18
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    Wink Blame Game..................

    I've said it once , I'll say it again, if we all raced yellow yugo's the same 15 to 20 people would still finish up front....................
    Sure there are drivers/cars out there not following the rules as they are written, but what comes around goes around.....................
    This is the first year NEETS has had bonestock rules in effect, I'm sure once Craig and Billy have a meeting about the new rules and enforcement the problem will be rectifed..........................
    Many good cars have been destroyed in NEETS contests this year because of pilot error.............Remember you can't win the race in the first lap, hehe..................
    The new season starts soon...lets start it out on a good foot and have fun................
    UNCLE PETEY.......................
    Last edited by richardpetey; 11-28-2005 at 09:50 PM.

  4. #19
    enduro13x
    im with you petey, we should definitely start this season on a clean slate and forget about all the bad things that happened this past year, i know that billy and craig have it under control and will definitely do a good job to make it as fair as possible

    you wouldnt be including yourself in the good cars being wrecked part would you? lol

  5. #20
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    People who finish in paying positions ARE getting DQ'ed. There have been illegal cars running that have not finished in the money. I can see that Billy does not want to turn away too many people while the series is growing. I have seen people return with legal cars once they see what is going on at our races...If you are a competitor, you can make a visual protest. If you are supporters, you could volunteer to help Craig Pre-inspect cars... This would only take a few hours... Any takers ?

    RACINRICH

  6. #21
    JCenduro

    Thumbs up going for it

    I just had this memory back when flemington ran enduros,The man in charge there Joe Hall,would have a drivers meeting and would ask everyone if they had a copy of the rules at the meeting.All the drivers of course would say yes,except Felix,and speedo.Go figure.LOL.Joe would always tell the drivers he didn't care what you ran on the track.All he said was that you know what you have in your cars and you know if you come in the top 5 0r ten depending on the #of cars there were to pay,If you come into money positions he didn't want to hear it if they found you were not legal.This system worked well because no matter what the rules are Drivers will build there cars the same regardless of the rules.It bites you when you do have a good run and you have to worry if there going to find this or find that.The Track should hand out rules every race at the gate to make sure all race teams have a copy.There would be no excuse then to say why your car isn't to the rules.All drivers should make sure there car is built to the rules and not wait for the day in the Tech area and say,YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING BEFORE.The Track will never be able to check every single car on any given day.Rules are just that.If they are enforsed,Then let them run what they want,They want to have fun too,but when they have a good day,and something major is not to the rules,Then maybe next time they'll fix it because they got DQ,ED.

  7. #22
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    With the mutha being my first neets race, I built a car strictly to the rules so that I won't have to travel 3 hrs and be told I could'nt run or had to change whatever to run because it was illegal, but upon walking around the pits sat/sun and seeing some of the cars with lowered suspencions, roll bar hoops on the front bumpers etc, I only wished I'd done the same, so be it, like many other racers I think cars should be more observent to the red flag/lights, maybe a flagger in the 3rd/4th turn would be helpful???, but what really blew me away was all the value towing race cars with the 5" vee shaped nerf bars on the drivers side that had "tire cutter" written all over it, THAT should'nt have been aloud on the track period. All in all it was a great first time.

  8. #23
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    Personally, I don't think that NEETS should have to make copies of the rules to hand out at the gate. They post the rules on their website, which you can download and make your own copy of. Also, I am sure that Billy would be more than willing to mail you a copy if you don't have access to a printer.
    The biggest thing is by the time you get to the gate you should have your car race "rule" ready.
    And not every accident/wreck is caused by the red. Just ask Uncle Petey...they came at him like he had magnets on that car. Also like Petey said, you can't win the race on the first lap...it was supposed to be 300 laps and most were driving like the first lap was the 299 lap.
    As to safety, after seeing my husbands car...thank God he had that bar across the rear and a fuel cell.
    As to a flagman (person) in turn 3, well someone should step up and volunteer to help out. Also, help with tech.
    Maybe next year Craig can get somemore help and cars could be teched before. One person say could be incharge of motors. And go from there. But with Craig being the only one that stepped up to help tech cars, how could he do it all himself.
    All I'm saying is, this is a great series, and I think Billy and all the people that help him are trying their best to accomodate the vast majority of enduro racers. Instead of beating up on them let's maybe have just a thread on suggestions, and they can take them from there. But, some suggestions might mean stepping up to the plate and helping out.

    Just my 5 cents.

    Cin
    Last edited by CIN; 11-29-2005 at 11:16 PM.

  9. #24
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    Legal Schmegal

    If they show up with a safe car, let them run. If the car is a hotrod it will get DQ'd. If the driver is an idiot, he'll get black-flagged (maybe). The more the merrier. Let's not forget WHY drivers are showing up and what makes NEETS their choice. Sure, there are some bozo's out there, but what would an Enduro race be without them?

    Bob K.
    Bozo-in-Training
    Bob Kulik
    Kulik Racing

  10. #25
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    ive ran 2 races with a car that i set to rule book and had a about 15 to 20th place car but i rather finsh there then cheat to get like a top 5 i mean when im racing i run my own race when people who are faster i move and give them the line that way i dont hold them and get knock out way and i stay where i am on the track and if i was faster i lke same back cause my dad stess to me watch in front of u and expect the red to come out at any time i havent plow anyone yet where going with this is if people would watch out in front they might save a rad or to we wouldnt be thinkin of useing bars but there going to be hot head and showoffs that the neg side of racing well marry christmas and a very happy new year see yall at beaters -aaron miller

  11. #26
    rcp_ny

    Thoughts from a "field filler"

    In no particular order....

    I've said this before, but what drew me into the series and keeps me in it is that the cars can be cheap and "disposable". My latest car cost me $328 on e-bay (probably more than everyone else pays because I don't know how to fix as much as everyone else), plus $40 to have someone weld in the door bar, plus $14 for an extra tire and rim from the junkyard, plus maybe $10 in paint... so I have less than $400 in it. I expect to not bring it home, and if it turns out it's not trashed (and it usually isn't), then that's a nice bonus. I also expect to win $0 in prizes. I wonder if lower purses (with lower entry fees) would take away people's incentive to be "inventive"? Or would folks still stretch things just for "the trophy"? I would at least feel less like I was lining other competitors' pockets to enjoy my hobby. Just a thought though; I don't have a big problem with that.

    I would be against allowing radiator bars. It would add more cost for the novice, or put us at a big disadvantage. I would also be against mandatory fuel cells and roll bars (or even tank bars or whatever) for the same cost/disposability reason. Although I'll admit when the first serious injury happens it might make me change my tune.

    The red lights do continue to be a problem. They just don't get your attention during daylight. It's a human factors problem. We drivers are always looking ahead to the left, and the lights are on the right. This puts the lights out in the periferal vision field, and periferal vision is best at detecting motion rather than color or brightness. That's why we see the red flags waving, but not the red lights. If the lights did something other than just shine it would help... if they blinked or had a strobe in them like new traffic lights, or if they spun like a rooftop emergency light, it might be noticed better. Maybe even a siren sound would help... I imagine everyone knew when that #50 police truck was near them!

    I also notice during the mutha (during my spectating phase ) that part of the red flag problem is cars with apparently no front brakes. I'm sure it helped them get into the corners, but it also helped them pile into stopped cars. Not sure that anything can be done about that, or should be, but it was a factor.

    I've had lots of times that I thought "that can't be legal", but I had a real reality check in that department at the mutha. Everyone remember the #19 small car? I was thinking (in fact I even said out loud to someone) "I wonder where the radiator is, because it sure couldn't have been in a stock location or that wouldn't still be running." Well after the race I saw it, and sure enough, there it was in the stock location... smushed back at about a 45 degree angle, but apparently still working! So I learned a lesson there assuming something based on visual observation from a distance.

  12. #27
    JCenduro

    Thumbs up Enduro or Demo

    Well Said Cin,Thats all I can say.

  13. #28
    BlingxBling
    I won't chew your *** out like you did mine because I don't see to your opinions, you can just see to your private message cindy, it will arrive shortly!

  14. #29
    winky417

    Well Said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Right On Cin !!!!!!!!!!! Racing And Enduro's Are A Hobby, But Safety And Our Families Are Our Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maddawg 417-12.....

  15. #30
    NEETS-1

    Well...here it goes.

    First off....NO to front bars of any kind. This is supposed to be a series where your car should be cheap and radiators expendable. Get another for the next race for 10 or 20 bux.
    My reasoning is it will keep you on your toes protecting your front end. A bar will give (some drivers) a feeling of invincibility and will maybe use the front end more. Bars in the back to protect the gas tank or cell....I will not argue safety as long as it is not built as to be used as weight.
    The biggest problem our events have are the red flags rear end shots coming out of turn 4. In an effort to cure this problem I am going to place a truck between 3 and 4 with a fire police beacon on it with a flagger inside. I will call him on the radio to turn on the lights.....which in turn will save radiators. This vehicle will also have a siren so if for some reason you do not see the lights flashing....you may hear the siren.
    Another solution may be to keep the third brake light in the back window shelf or install one for those cars that do not have one. This can be tried and if it does not work....snip the wire.
    As far as the big motors go....I am not a dummy, I have seen and heard them. I have allowed some of them to run knowing that if they go through tech, they will be dqed. This will stop. I will have a series for these people if they want to run big motors....Monster Cars.
    I am going to install a vacuum rule to thwart these people from the stock class. It will be in the range of 17" of vacuum @ 1000 rpm. Most stock motors are around 18-22". Very easy to check. There will be NO % ALLOWANCE.....if you are under 17"...you are illegal. A vacuum test will be done to all cars in the money after the event.
    The 2006 series will also see PERMANENT CAR NUMBERS. I went nutz doing the points figuring who was who...in what car. I got all of them right but it took me twice as long as it should of.
    Another problem was the carnage with races that had over 70,80,90 cars in them. When a race had 60 cars or less...it was great racing. Any more than that....it took the fun out. I am going to split the fields into an "A" and "B" class for each division if there is more than 60 or 70 cars in it. Our series is growing fast and I foresee many more cars joining us this year. We had over 400 different drivers register and drive in our events this year, (What other series can say that)? I am not sure if I will just split it down the middle or figure a way to place the veterans in one class and rookies in another.
    All of these ( and more not mentioned) are my ideas on how to improve an already great series. I am going to have a meeting with my veterans that have been with me since "day 1" after the banquet. We will exchange our ideas and I will post the rule changes I think will better our racing.

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