Look what i found on you tube from saturday nights feature

[W. J.]

I think the youtube clip shows pretty clearly that it was a racing accident. The 44 came out of turn 2 a little hard, bounced into the 8 and rather then put himself in the wall the 8 over corrected into the 44 and just caught him in the wrong spot.

Another case of trying to win the race before a lap is even in the books. He should have backed off and let Cacioppo correct. It would have avoided what was a horrific crash into the gate and wall. We should all be thankful that Cacioppo was able to walk away.

[The Bullfather]

No matter who was at fault I hope John was able to make sure Anthony was ok! It's sportsmanship that seems to flow within the legends division!

[Ka$h25]

Another case of trying to win the race before a lap is even in the books. He should have backed off and let Cacioppo correct. It would have avoided what was a horrific crash into the gate and wall. We should all be thankful that Cacioppo was able to walk away.

Watch the row of cars behind the 8 and 44. The 44 comes out of turn two in the same grove as the outside car in the row behind. He pushed up quite a bit and initiated the contact. You can see the right rear swing out and touch the 8. After that they bounce off of each other a couple times and the 44 ends up getting turned.

It's a 20 lap race in a large competitive field. Don't chastise the kid for making an outside pass on lap one. I'd understand if he made a bad decision, maybe if he nose dived going into the turn, but he made a clean pass on the outside. Perhaps the 44 didn't like being passed out there and thought he'd run him up a bit. Either way if you ask me, racing incident.

[W. J.]

Watch the row of cars behind the 8 and 44. The 44 comes out of turn two in the same grove as the outside car in the row behind. He pushed up quite a bit and initiated the contact. You can see the right rear swing out and touch the 8. After that they bounce off of each other a couple times and the 44 ends up getting turned.

It's a 20 lap race in a large competitive field. Don't chastise the kid for making an outside pass on lap one. I'd understand if he made a bad decision, maybe if he nose dived going into the turn, but he made a clean pass on the outside. Perhaps the 44 didn't like being passed out there and thought he'd run him up a bit. Either way if you ask me, racing incident.

He was not yet past the 44, just up to his right rear, and being that early in the race, probably should have backed off, especially in view of the previous pile up that occurred on the first try at getting that race going. It's the first time I remember the officials mandating a single file restart with NO laps complete..
Funny, that's exactly what he did when he was passed illegally later in the race (watch the video again).
Yes, it was a racing incident, but one that needn't have happened.
Let's see if the much touted 'sportsmanship' involves the #8 team helping the #44 guys work on getting the car ready to race again.

[Ka$h25]

He was not yet past the 44, just up to his right rear, and being that early in the race, probably should have backed off, especially in view of the previous pile up that occurred on the first try at getting that race going. It's the first time I remember the officials mandating a single file restart with NO laps complete..
Funny, that's exactly what he did when he was passed illegally later in the race (watch the video again).
Yes, it was a racing incident, but one that needn't have happened.
Let's see if the much touted 'sportsmanship' involves the #8 team helping the #44 guys work on getting the car ready to race again.

I can't believe the guy who thought the Reeves/Turbush incident was a "racing accident" is trying to pin this one on Gloor.

[The Bullfather]

You can have 10 guys watch the same video or sets of videos and get 10 different answers! No need to get personal John, it's a forum for open discussion, no bodyslams!

[Ka$h25]

You can have 10 guys watch the same video or sets of videos and get 10 different answers! No need to get personal John, it's a forum for open discussion, no bodyslams!

My problem is the first comment. It's a pretty bold statement to say that a driver intentionally left-turned another driver into the wall.

Now, about that pink car that ran the car into the third turn wall in order to make HIS pass.....

[W. J.]

I can't believe the guy who thought the Reeves/Turbush incident was a "racing accident" is trying to pin this one on Gloor.

There is no comparison between these two incidents, entirely different circumstance, so I don't even know why you brought it up.
My point is Johnny needs to learn when to race and when to back out. The first lap, no matter how competitive a division is, is not the time to run like there's no tomorrow.
And as stated above, different angles of viewing bring different opinions of what happens on the track.

[Ka$h25]

There is no comparison between these two incidents, entirely different circumstance, so I don't even know why you brought it up.
My point is Johnny needs to learn when to race and when to back out. The first lap, no matter how competitive a division is, is not the time to run like there's no tomorrow.
And as stated above, different angles of viewing bring different opinions of what happens on the track.

What different angles? There's a perfect angle in slow motion that we can both watch. If the 8 backs out there then he's going into turns 3 and 4 on the outside of the 53 and 83 3-wide. I suppose he should back out of that too? Meanwhile the 44 can run guys up to the wall all day and you have no problems with that.

[W. J.]

What different angles? There's a perfect angle in slow motion that we can both watch. If the 8 backs out there then he's going into turns 3 and 4 on the outside of the 53 and 83 3-wide. I suppose he should back out of that too? Meanwhile the 44 can run guys up to the wall all day and you have no problems with that.

I didn't say I had no problem with that. There is no 100% blame here. I stated the Johnny could have backed off, but that he stayed in the gas, and we all saw the result. There was no 'left turning a guy into the wall' here, just that he obviously never let off to give the 44 a chance to correct. I know from watching John race that he's a good enough driver that this incident could have had a better outcome than it did. That's all I'm trying to say.